KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

i want to know what you are talking about...
hiya rj

it's ok Joe, just venting a little steam here in the pressure cooker

it's those bastards in admissions who I really wish I could go back and have a piece of

'come on in' they said, 'the weather's fine'
I wuz only a youngun, a whole life of reckless hedonism awaited me
'peace, love and happiness' they recklessly promised
fuckers

really there should be some kind of contract that you get to take home for a decade or so, I reckon. Something to tell you exactly what you're in for.
something along the lines of
"This spiritual path (ah-hem, path, yeah right) will involve a great deal of your time working out that your wanting to get anywhere on it will be the number one thing that stops you from actually going anywere"

right there you'd be offski, wouldn't you, if you had half a brain.

and don't tell me you can mantra or cross-eye yourself into a state of wantingless oblivion. I've looked into the eyes of those Sannyassin, Bruce-type, other-wordly wankers. It's bollox I tell you, bollox, not happy at all, not even peaceful (unless you count a living death as peacefull, which it sort of is, if you hate life that is)

anyway, you knew all that

the coming last part throw you?

what other possible goal could anyone who remotely cottonned on to what an extraordinary, marvellous, astonishingly wonderful thing it is to be alive have other than to live long, live long, live long.

To hell with your death-wish, implacable mind!

He who stops racing will surely win, this one.

RJ wrote:

He who wants to want-not the most wins
(so comes in last)

So, the question takes on a wonky sort of sheen and asks, "What does it mean, to be wanting not to want?"

The answer splits into two separate answers and come onto the stage together. One answer says that it is the answer because it wants to be empty and the other answer says it is the answer because it wants to be full.

One answer says that the way to end the wanting is cease wanting and the other answer says that the way to end the wanting is to find the right filling.

One of those ways subsumes the other and the right filling becomes the want not to want.

Then, the other one of those subsumes its other and the right filling becomes the wrong filling.

Put the two together and it is always doubting itself. If confusion presents itself as doubt whenever that confusion is directly reflected upon, then entertaining only one answer at a time could end that confusion.

So, it turns out that the old want machine is the empty reflection being filled with anything it will hold. When it holds nothing, that spot is turned off and the room emptied, and when it holds something, the spot comes on, and that something begins to sing to anyone who will listen.

The way to turn that bugger off is to send for your 6-pack of UF and stink up the old place!

the farmer harvests: "He who wants to not want is stuck."

It that sticky point the difference between wanting to be full or empty, and what if that emptiness is the fullness, or what if that fullness is emptiness; I mean, this cat skins either way.

Do you, in general, choose the way of empty or does it choose you? It's a given that you must choose the way of full by choosing the filling of your choice.

That means that the empty cannot be chosen, but only set to empty.


farmer, see what i am doing? The correct condition has two absolutely different ways to be read.

Yeah, it is a trick, but the point needs to be made, else that confusion is always there to show itself.

If too wonky, please ignore...

yeah, joe, you are right ---- to whom do I apologize?

They both have that down-home sense about them. BobD has it also. You feel ground with them; not that I am any judge...

wilbro99 wrote:

yeah, joe, you are right ---- to whom do I apologize?

They both have that down-home sense about them. BobD has it also. You feel ground with them; not that I am any judge...

Mama always said: "Stupid is as stupid does..." lol

Oh yes, I have a pair of hip high wanters you can have on the cheap; what size do you wear?

dancing with aardvarks

RJ wrote:

Ariatic, Master Brown
Phlegmatic, Honest Joe
Systematic, Resolute Night

you guys are alright
but you are in a far off valley
whose fires look dim, from here
and whose echoes come back too faintly
to really give a fuck

Stoke it mate, the fire is in your own yard. 
You don't need to see our fire, nor smell the smoke of it
to watch the embers do their work before you

wilbro99 wrote:

the farmer harvests: "He who wants to not want is stuck."

It that sticky point the difference between wanting to be full or empty, and what if that emptiness is the fullness, or what if that fullness is emptiness; I mean, this cat skins either way.

Do you, in general, choose the way of empty or does it choose you? It's a given that you must choose the way of full by choosing the filling of your choice.

That means that the empty cannot be chosen, but only set to empty.


farmer, see what i am doing? The correct condition has two absolutely different ways to be read.

Yeah, it is a trick, but the point needs to be made, else that confusion is always there to show itself.

If too wonky, please ignore...

If you mean to say that the wanting is a given, a birth condition, not something chosen, then yes I can agree. The wanting to be full, or the wanting to be empty - some prefer the one over the other.