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#1 2012-01-18 13:15:37
adaptation...
one of my favorite things about the work I do is the necessity to adapt to the environment...from the clients being served to the original construction being added to to the weather which ultimately drives the context, one must always adapt to what is there to be successful in remodeling spaces seamlessly. In a way I think it is why I am also here, for the clients (me/us) are always in their own process of adaptation to who they currently are. This life is flux, and no blueprint can tell the whole story well...
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#3 2012-01-18 14:26:02
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Adaptation...sinonemous of our life, we adpte all the time,don't we?
Even adapte our selfes to sleepin the evening and weakup in the morning...all the night is also so brilhant...just the science prooved that our lever needs to rest in a dark room to some hours, and them he works better in our organism.
The science goes together with the adaptation...
Ualllllllll
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#4 2012-01-18 14:40:39
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hmm...a new word in the battle field
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#6 2012-01-18 17:02:20
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Re: adaptation...
If life is flux, meaning constant change and therefore no blueprint can hold it, then it is good to abort the idea of adaptation which is the effort to find a resting place in the flowing water of a river. The truth is to flow with life.
Now, how can I flow with life, which is always new, if I remain with all the old or bring them along? All this is then a theoretical view. A theoretical view or an illusion is more attractive at the surface than the real because it still keeps the old security for me and at same time gives me a delusion of something new with certain vitality. Hence the word is adaptation.
Therefore, I put down all ideas and be silence of the silence which is total attention.
Can you adapt to something that is changing, not as in natural evolution but as rapidly as daily in your life? You must notice that it is not wise to adapt to such a constant change because it brings upset daily. And it changes fast only when there is sensitivity and no anchorage to any principle or blueprint. It is flowing out freely, unhindered. So what does this tell you? It tells you the content of your own life and teaches you to be alert and remain fresh all the time.
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#7 2012-01-18 18:43:31
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snguyen wrote:
It tells you the content of your own life and teaches you to be alert and remain fresh all the time.
And that is what adaptation is, remaining fresh and seeing not what you want to see but what is there.
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#9 2012-01-18 18:56:31
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Re: adaptation...
What is there when the content is really emptied out?
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#10 2012-01-18 19:02:41
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joe wrote:
snguyen wrote:
It tells you the content of your own life and teaches you to be alert and remain fresh all the time.
And that is what adaptation is, remaining fresh and seeing not what you want to see but what is there.
You only see what you want to see. But what is there in attention is not for thought to understand.
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#11 2012-01-18 20:08:01
Re: adaptation...
snguyen wrote:
joe wrote:
snguyen wrote:
It tells you the content of your own life and teaches you to be alert and remain fresh all the time.
And that is what adaptation is, remaining fresh and seeing not what you want to see but what is there.
You only see what you want to see. But what is there in attention is not for thought to understand.
a backward statement...you speak from thought now and you can not eliminate it anymore than you can eliminate yourself. You will always be a point of reference, even if the psychological observer is gone. Thought is not the enemy. Clinging to some notion supposedly outside of thought is the clinging of thought.
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#13 2012-01-18 20:13:10
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joe wrote:
snguyen wrote:
What is there when the content is really emptied out?
there is life...all of it.
no doubt ?
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#15 2012-01-18 20:36:25
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joe wrote:
snguyen wrote:
joe wrote:
And that is what adaptation is, remaining fresh and seeing not what you want to see but what is there.You only see what you want to see. But what is there in attention is not for thought to understand.
a backward statement...you speak from thought now and you can not eliminate it anymore than you can eliminate yourself. You will always be a point of reference, even if the psychological observer is gone. Thought is not the enemy. Clinging to some notion supposedly outside of thought is the clinging of thought.
I am exploring the possibility of attention. If attention is not of thought, in which the mind is not in the thinking mode but rather in a very quiet watching with an alertness and self balancing, self adjusting sensitivity, then what it finds is not the result of thinking. Is that a possibility of experiment to you? If not, we won't see similarly.
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#16 2012-01-18 20:45:09
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joe wrote:
snguyen wrote:
You only see what you want to see. But what is there in attention is not for thought to understand.a backward statement...you speak from thought now and you can not eliminate it anymore than you can eliminate yourself. You will always be a point of reference, even if the psychological observer is gone. Thought is not the enemy. Clinging to some notion supposedly outside of thought is the clinging of thought.
I am exploring the possibility of attention. If attention is not of thought, in which the mind is not in the thinking mode but rather in a very quiet watching with an alertness and self balancing, self adjusting sensitivity, then what it finds is not the result of thinking. Is that a possibility of experiment to you? If not, we won't see similarly.
Ok, so exploring the possibility of attention you say. Is attention different than psychological thought?
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#17 2012-01-18 20:49:35
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joe wrote:
what does "all of it" mean to you?
must it mean anything?
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#19 2012-01-18 22:14:33
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Ok, so exploring the possibility of attention you say. Is attention different than psychological thought?
Freedom must be from the begining and not at the end. If the means is conditioned the end cannot be free. Nothing is really profound or complex but just in the doing it. Watching a tree for example does not require thought, but just seeing. Watching a feeling non verbally does not require thought either. What do you see?
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#20 2012-01-18 22:23:09
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I see that the person always remains, despite the absence of an owner...I see that the person that remains is the vehicle for discernment of what the senses present, continually.
Without the TV no signal comes through. Does that make the TV important? No, it is just a TV, but it is always present for the signal to be received and transmitted.
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#21 2012-01-19 00:32:51
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Yes the person remains or else there is no point but his discernment is conditioned. Or do you say his discernment is free of psychological effects? If it is free from psych thought then what is this discernment? That is one point: what is this discernment? Technical thought? Technical thought is a different category and cannot discern psychological thought. Only psychological thought, to make it clear and logical, creates its own psychological effects of pain, pleasure or fear. If there is a different factor that can remove the effects and all is quiet, pain, pleasure or fear, then you still can describe the whole structure but remain free from its effects. Now every time the challenge which is always new is met by the new (mind) there is no effect, no need for discernment, and no accumulation. Is that a possibility and is it logical?
So, what is the factor that can remove, cleanse, wipe out the conditioning?
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#22 2012-01-19 00:42:01
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Why do you need to discern what the senses present? I just look at a tree, feel a feeling. I can see that thought comes rushing in but that is a second separate activity.
To look at fear, I feel directly the feeling and it does not last for any second. The consequences might be bad (or good) but there is no fear. But the old discernment itself is creating and sustaining fear, and without it the feeling behind the word does not last long.
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#23 2012-01-19 04:10:26
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joe wrote:
I see that the person always remains, despite the absence of an owner...
Indeed... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/2 … 75172.html
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#24 2012-01-19 07:32:27
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#25 2012-01-19 08:12:30
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Why do you need to discern what the senses present? I just look at a tree, feel a feeling. I can see that thought comes rushing in but that is a second separate activity.
To look at fear, I feel directly the feeling and it does not last for any second. The consequences might be bad (or good) but there is no fear. But the old discernment itself is creating and sustaining fear, and without it the feeling behind the word does not last long.
Looking at a tree there is still technical thought...we are not talking about looking at trees though. The old discernment, as you put it, is psych thought, it is not a discernment. The discernment of psych thought is seen by something, is it not? You would call it attention and I would call it technical thought, thought absent of the psychological complex.
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