KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

natura wrote:

joe wrote:

natura wrote:

You see it, RJ

Discussing over meditation must be the meditation itself.

It’s not an easy business to speak about in person, let alone writing.

Krishnamurti told sometimes, not to do it in public.

…just a mess.

As I sad, I was trying many times…

yes but natura, the needle is there in the haystack and if enjoying the hay you are then what the hay, why not?

Well, sophisticated, joe, but if I’ve got you right.

The only problem of our human life is that all the joy we enjoy turns, sooner or later, to its own opposition, and we have to work out it.

So, eventually, there is still a point to seek for that needle.

Yes and in the finding that point of the needle may find its way under your skin as well.

bruce sean wrote:

joe wrote:

so now we have a title...bruce's little orgy.  I got a little shiver just writing it.

Little bruce's little orgy.

Indeed.  Talking stimulates you, or you wouldn't do it. That's a fact.

I must do it, I must talk. You see, there's nothing wrong with being emphatic.

  But if I don't talk it's just as fine. And when I do I am emphatic-where's the problem?

Fair-weather friend, in poor weather. Where can I sign up!  ;-)

RJ wrote:

I like the word relaxation very much
and I like the word tension equally well as descriptive terms to help get a handle on what we are up against and what it is we need

how do you feel about those terms?
I know they are a little, humdrum, but perhaps they can help us get deeper into it.

for example, how do you best like to relax?
really, I am genuinely interested in this and I ask a lot of people this same question.

‘Relaxation’ is a taken and pretty busy word today, like, just for example, by autogenic training.
Anyhow, it’s unavoidable.
Yes, relaxation follows in meditation. If it deep enough, first thing, you are losing your limbs, then the body completely.

BTW, then you see what you wrote today, how spirit and body connected together.

Now take a reliable shelter, cover your head and let flash down the upcoming avalanche of the smartest messages like about, that’s a method, the time is included and if that, then this, etc., etc.

Let it burn you to ashes and smoke and dust...nothingness...the flame of discontent...enjoy! ;-)

http://youtu.be/rYEDA3JcQqw

pearl wrote:

night wrote:

I doesn't snow much in these parts of California unfortunately, but it did where I grew up, not far from the Alps. I remember once going to the top of one of those mountains and watching the landscape all around.  Snow covered peaks sparkling under a winter sun, quite a majestic sight.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2188/226 … 67ee52.jpg

Night,why you left the Alps and went to Cali? :-)  Just kiddin', but you should come and live in Montreal.  You'll atleast have a great friend along with the freezing, snowy winters. ha,haha

;-)

....resources, food, clothes, money, meditation, avocados, oil, dialogues, enlightenement, all good escapes! ;-)

night wrote:

Eden wrote:

a marathon fueled by fruits and veggies that flew 2800 miles on a lovely jet plane  delivered by a yummy smelling semi-truck fresh to my local supermarket which I can walk to in my cute furry Uggs.

Humans have established a vast distribution network, and are continuing to refine it. I don't see this idea of distributing various goods around the globe changing anytime soon. Is the energy to distribute the goods going to run out? Is this network on the verge of collapse or is it resilient? Of course one can be much better at using local resources and producing locally, why not. But the march of technology will go on, better and better sources of energy will be harnessed. By the time oil runs out, something else will have been invented most likely (and eventually, safe nuclear fusion, like focus fusion). And there is also plenty of time to grow some trees, regardless.

It is all artificial, in as much as no animal does this to such a degree, though to a less degree (ants grow mushrooms). Driving a car on tropical island is as artificial as eating an avocado in Norway. Clothes are artificial, tools are artificial. No big deal, in small doses :-)

good points night, but small doses do not seem to be the norm...not sure that is the point either, just a point.  The world is as it is, this has and always will be the case.

pearl wrote:

....resources, food, clothes, money, meditation, avocados, oil, dialogues, enlightenement, all good escapes! ;-)

Criticizing, insulting, labeling, name calling....the lamest escapes of all.

Eden wrote:

pearl wrote:

....resources, food, clothes, money, meditation, avocados, oil, dialogues, enlightenement, all good escapes! ;-)

Criticizing, insulting, labeling, name calling....the lamest escapes of all.

Poor eden(the ego) now is feeling' criticised, insulted and so the frustrations...oh well, it's not new really...this whining, the wenting out...is it on these forums...?  Nope!  ;-)

night wrote:

pearl wrote:

....resources, food, clothes, money, meditation, avocados, oil, dialogues, enlightenement, all good escapes! ;-)

Haha. Yes, they can be. :-)

They can be or can be not

Blissed is the one who can see the difference;

cursed is the one who not

night wrote:

It is all artificial, in as much as no animal does this to such a degree, though to a less degree (ants grow mushrooms). Driving a car on tropical island is as artificial as eating an avocado in Norway. Clothes are artificial, tools are artificial. No big deal, in small doses :-)

Of course.  It's all natural, and its all nature. http://vimeo.com/hd#34182381