KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

joe · 2012-01-02 23:08:58

natura wrote:
You see it, RJ

Discussing over meditation must be the meditation itself.

It’s not an easy business to speak about in person, let alone writing.

Krishnamurti told sometimes, not to do it in public.

…just a mess.

As I sad, I was trying many times…

yes but natura, the needle is there in the haystack and if enjoying the hay you are then what the hay, why not?

beans · 2012-01-02 23:09:35

Bruce, can you flush down the toilet the fact that someone mentioned what K thought about something, and look at what else is being said? It does not mean no listening, it just means you have different ideas of what meditation is.

Last edited by beans (2012-01-02 23:09:59)

bruce sean · 2012-01-02 23:12:52

No, no, no ideas. Firstly, I cannot flush down the toilet a fact, only ideas. If listening is taking place through comparison then it is no listening, no way getting passed that.

And secondly, if the meditator is present then meditation is not. This is not an idea, and so it cannot be flushed.

bruce sean · 2012-01-02 23:17:50

That's an image also. It might be dirty, that's not the point. Yes, I've talked a lot today, real talk, and the more I talk the more fired up I get, sorry.

That was for natura's deleted post.

Last edited by bruce sean (2012-01-02 23:18:27)

beans · 2012-01-02 23:19:04

bruce sean wrote:
That's an image also. It might be dirty, that's not the point. Yes, I've talked a lot today, real talk, and the more I talk the more fired up I get, sorry.

That was for natura's deleted post.

Why does talking get you fired up?

natura · 2012-01-02 23:19:24

beans wrote:
natura wrote:
beans wrote:
Natura, you and I talked a little about meditation once. I still think driving is one of the best times to meditate. :-)
Yes, that’s the same thing I … you so much for.

I remember and know your passion for that.

However, I still think, driving is yet not excluded but not the best place for meditation is. Though, it might be just individual preferences.
Well, I think it's individual preferences, and opportunities.

Not using the "L" word anymore I see

cause I got your drift

natura · 2012-01-02 23:21:09

You are especially hot today, bruce. Isn’t that the affection of those recent events it LA?

I hope you are well after all, as well as your ‘Mitsubishi’ is squeaky clean as it always is.

beans · 2012-01-02 23:24:09

bruce sean wrote:
No, no, no ideas. Firstly, I cannot flush down the toilet a fact, only ideas. If listening is taking place through comparison then it is no listening, no way getting passed that.

And secondly, if the meditator is present then meditation is not. This is not an idea, and so it cannot be flushed.

Ah, I remember these conversations with you now. There can be listening, and yes, comparison and other thought is a valid part of communication. Drop what K said about listening and comparison and see....

The second part refers back to your idea that there has to be "nobody", but I have to go to bed, so good night.

bruce sean · 2012-01-02 23:24:26

natura wrote:
You are especially hot today, bruce. Isn’t that the affection of those recent events it LA?

I hope you are well after all, as well as your ‘Mitsubishi’ is squeaky clean as it always is.

Ok, it's back now. Its response is 54, not that it's important. You can flush it!

bruce sean · 2012-01-02 23:26:45

beans wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
That's an image also. It might be dirty, that's not the point. Yes, I've talked a lot today, real talk, and the more I talk the more fired up I get, sorry.

That was for natura's deleted post.
Why does talking get you fired up?

It's energy, talking about facts-false things seen as false, or true things-is just energy. It's not dfferent from when I don't talk, but with talking whatever is 'inside' gets expressed.

Eden · 2012-01-02 23:29:09

Anyone who uses the word "meditation" is still totally lost.

bruce sean · 2012-01-02 23:30:12

Change it!

beans · 2012-01-02 23:31:13

Eden wrote:
Anyone who uses the word "meditation" is still totally lost.

Anyone who's hung up on a word is still totally hung up.

beans · 2012-01-02 23:32:47

bruce sean wrote:
beans wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
That's an image also. It might be dirty, that's not the point. Yes, I've talked a lot today, real talk, and the more I talk the more fired up I get, sorry.

That was for natura's deleted post.
Why does talking get you fired up?
It's energy, talking about facts-false things seen as false, or true things-is just energy. It's not dfferent from when I don't talk, but with talking whatever is 'inside' gets expressed.

Well, you said "the more I talk, the more fired up I get" which is obviously not the same as when you are not talking. So you get a rush out of it.

bruce sean · 2012-01-02 23:37:24

The energy express itself, the body gets energized. 'I' may get carried away, that's all.

beans · 2012-01-02 23:41:49

bruce sean wrote:
The energy express itself, the body gets energized. 'I' may get carried away, that's all.

A rush, kind of like others get from sex, or from winning the World Cup....

bruce sean · 2012-01-02 23:46:33

Not quite comparable. Winning a World Cup with just talking: what idiot gets a rush from that?

This 'carried away' can stop anytime. A player who wins the World Cup doesn't 'just' get carried away. And it's not an escape like sex can be.

Eden · 2012-01-02 23:49:40

beans wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
beans wrote:

Why does talking get you fired up?
It's energy, talking about facts-false things seen as false, or true things-is just energy. It's not dfferent from when I don't talk, but with talking whatever is 'inside' gets expressed.
Well, you said "the more I talk, the more fired up I get" which is obviously not the same as when you are not talking. So you get a rush out of it.

Yep. Ironically the one who constantly labels others as "pleasure seekers" is neck deep in his own little orgy of stimulation.

bruce sean · 2012-01-02 23:51:37

Yes, that's my little orgy! Guilty.

joe · 2012-01-02 23:53:45

so now we have a title...bruce's little orgy. I got a little shiver just writing it.

natura · 2012-01-02 23:54:51

joe wrote:
natura wrote:
You see it, RJ

Discussing over meditation must be the meditation itself.

It’s not an easy business to speak about in person, let alone writing.

Krishnamurti told sometimes, not to do it in public.

…just a mess.

As I sad, I was trying many times…
yes but natura, the needle is there in the haystack and if enjoying the hay you are then what the hay, why not?

Well, sophisticated, joe, but if I’ve got you right.

The only problem of our human life is that all the joy we enjoy turns, sooner or later, to its own opposition, and we have to work out it.

So, eventually, there is still a point to seek for that needle.

bruce sean · 2012-01-02 23:56:27

joe wrote:
so now we have a title...bruce's little orgy. I got a little shiver just writing it.

Little bruce's little orgy.

tree · 2012-01-02 23:57:31

bruce sean wrote:

Yes, that's my little orgy! Guilty.

RJ · 2012-01-02 23:57:55

natura wrote:
You see it, RJ

Discussing over meditation must be the meditation itself.

It’s not an easy business to speak about in person, let alone writing.

Krishnamurti told sometimes, not to do it in public.

…just a mess.

As I sad, I was trying many times…

oh, another juicy thread, you are all in good form today
I had to hunt back for your reply

yes...

maybe we could change the word meditation for something less loaded, less weighty
we could ummmm, say God instead, for example

just kidding, you get the idea

I like the word relaxation very much
and I like the word tension equally well as descriptive terms to help get a handle on what we are up against and what it is we need

how do you feel about those terms?
I know they are a little, humdrum, but perhaps they can help us get deeper into it.

for example, how do you best like to relax?
really, I am genuinely interested in this and I ask a lot of people this same question.

RJ · 2012-01-02 23:59:07

tree wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9 … 2jhxYynXfw

Yes, that's my little orgy! Guilty.

mate, that is just too funny,
good form

KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

Announcement

#51 2012-01-02 23:08:58

Re: no title

natura wrote:

#52 2012-01-02 23:09:35

Re: no title

#53 2012-01-02 23:12:52

Re: no title

#54 2012-01-02 23:17:50

Re: no title

#55 2012-01-02 23:19:04

Re: no title

bruce sean wrote:

#56 2012-01-02 23:19:24

Re: no title

beans wrote:

natura wrote:

beans wrote:

#57 2012-01-02 23:21:09

Re: no title

#58 2012-01-02 23:24:09

Re: no title

bruce sean wrote:

#59 2012-01-02 23:24:26

Re: no title

natura wrote:

#60 2012-01-02 23:26:45

Re: no title

beans wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

#61 2012-01-02 23:29:09

Re: no title

#62 2012-01-02 23:30:12

Re: no title

#63 2012-01-02 23:31:13

Re: no title

Eden wrote:

#64 2012-01-02 23:32:47

Re: no title

bruce sean wrote:

beans wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

#65 2012-01-02 23:37:24

Re: no title

#66 2012-01-02 23:41:49

Re: no title

bruce sean wrote:

#67 2012-01-02 23:46:33

Re: no title

#68 2012-01-02 23:49:40

Re: no title

beans wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

beans wrote:

#69 2012-01-02 23:51:37

Re: no title

#70 2012-01-02 23:53:45

Re: no title

#71 2012-01-02 23:54:51

Re: no title

joe wrote:

natura wrote:

#72 2012-01-02 23:56:27

Re: no title

joe wrote:

#73 2012-01-02 23:57:31

Re: no title

bruce sean wrote:

#74 2012-01-02 23:57:55

Re: no title

natura wrote:

#75 2012-01-02 23:59:07

Re: no title

tree wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Board footer