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vishnuram · 2011-12-31 23:48:17

yeah i don't have money.. so what? i just remember jk quotes on "The First and Last Freedom" Page Number 171, and the topic is "On Boredom and Interest- K-""""Become a social worker or a political worker or a religious worker - is that it? Because you have nothing else to do, therefore you become a reformer! If you have nothing to do, if you are bored, why not be bored? Why not be that? If you are in sorrow, be sorrowful. Don’t try to ﬁnd a
way out of it, because your being bored has an immense signiﬁcance, if you can understand it, live with it. If you say, ”I am bored, therefore I will do something else”, you are merely try to escape from boredom, and, as most of our activities are escapes, you do much more harm socially and in every other way. The mischief is much greater when you escape than when you are what you are and remain with it. The difﬁculty is, how to remain with it and not run away; as most of our activities are a process of escape it is immensely difﬁcult for you to stop escaping and face it. Therefore I am glad if you are really bored and I say, ”Full stop, let’s stay there, let’s look at it. Why should you do anything?”"""""""

yeah i'm so hungry...! yeah why not be that? ... ha ha ha.... but i'm feel so tried of life....

RJ · 2012-01-01 00:22:07

only fools talk philosophy on empty stomachs
take your internet money and go buy some bread
then stand in front of an oncoming train and see how your body feels about staying alive, my guess is you will quickly remember how much you prefer to keep breathing...

but its only a guess

Babs · 2012-01-01 08:26:10

SPACEY. picture of you MAGS..???

hermann · 2012-01-01 08:28:12

If you were hungry, you wouldn't be tired of life; nor - I think - would you be posting here. Chances are you're looking for company, I wonder if this is the best place for that. But I wish you the best of luck.

dhirendra · 2012-01-01 08:43:04

Vishnuram, you have no money, will you make it clear why you informed this?
No doubt you will manage food etc.Probably you mean you have not sufficient money, otherwise 100 days employment guarantee is available for everyone in India(I assume that you are from India)

kirsten · 2012-01-01 09:11:50

to stay with boredom or with sorrow, those are psychological mindsets..
hunger is something else, vishnuram, the body needs food, physically.
but maybe your psychological mindset prevents you from getting food ?

bruce sean · 2012-01-02 21:07:07

Or its lack thereof. But hunger doesn't exist in a free body.

beans · 2012-01-02 22:31:03

bruce sean wrote:
Or its lack thereof. But hunger doesn't exist in a free body.

Wow, bruce, tell that to the starving babies in Africa.

bruce sean · 2012-01-02 22:44:14

I know. But they are NOT free, unfortunately.

beans · 2012-01-02 22:49:47

What makes you think you know that each one of a million starving people (including babies) are not free?

bruce sean · 2012-01-02 22:51:48

They are NOT. There are NO free babies; the genetic inheritance is their burden, as is their undeveloped brains.

beans · 2012-01-02 22:54:25

I'd say the potential for ego to develop and take over is probably in 99.9% of people, but it has not yet done so in infants and young children.

bruce sean · 2012-01-02 22:56:27

Like I said, the genetic inheritance is there from birth, and their brains is too underdeveloped for any freedom to occur.

beans · 2012-01-02 22:59:40

The potential only is there, bruce. How can the ego, the thought of a psychological "I" be there in a baby?

Freedom is the absence of the self-protection of the image, so nothing needs to "occur" if it the image has not been formed.

bruce sean · 2012-01-02 23:05:50

Genetically, the image-forming mechanism is there. And awareness is not, thus no freedom, just a bunch of instincts, impulses. Which is why babies cry when they're hungry.

beans · 2012-01-02 23:30:11

...but the self-image has not been formed yet. Ask any baby :-) Don't you remember being a young child and then, while growing older, thought becoming more constant, including thoughts of self-protection and self-expansion?

bruce sean · 2012-01-02 23:33:16

I don't remember what I did yesterday, much less as a baby!

The baby's brain has been programmed to develop in a certain way and no other. Even without an actual self-image a baby is not free. Besides, even growing up in a jungle doesn't lead to freedom, in and of itself.

beans · 2012-01-02 23:37:32

The baby's brain has the potential, but it has not actually developed the self-image through conditioning. Without the other shoe to fall, the ego-laden environment, it is possible that the ego would not evolve. In the right nurturing environment, whether that means brought up by aware parents or raised by wolves, it is possible...

tree · 2012-01-02 23:40:56

...it's bruce!

bruce sean · 2012-01-02 23:59:50

beans wrote:
The baby's brain has the potential, but it has not actually developed the self-image through conditioning. Without the other shoe to fall, the ego-laden environment, it is possible that the ego would not evolve. In the right nurturing environment, whether that means brought up by aware parents or raised by wolves, it is possible...

I don't think it depends on the environment. Besides, even in a nurturing environment the result may be just the same.

natura · 2012-01-03 02:49:52

beans wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
Or its lack thereof. But hunger doesn't exist in a free body.
Wow, bruce, tell that to the starving babies in Africa.

How could he if Africa doesn’t exist in his teaching, let alone the starving children

Eden · 2012-01-03 06:10:38

bruce sean wrote:
Or its lack thereof. But hunger doesn't exist in a free body.

What if you have a tape worm?

Huguette · 2012-01-03 08:34:30

bruce sean wrote:
hunger doesn't exist in a free body.

Being psychologically free doesn't put an end to natural physical sensations.

A free man or woman may be able to face whatever happens with equanimity, but why would that eliminate hunger?

Hunger, thirst, fatigue, cold, pain are natural sensations which inform the body that it needs food, water, sleep, warmth, medical care. That's why babies cry when they're hungry, cold or thirsty. Without being informed by these sensations, the body would soon die, it seems to me.

bruce sean · 2012-01-03 12:40:33

natura wrote:
beans wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
Or its lack thereof. But hunger doesn't exist in a free body.
Wow, bruce, tell that to the starving babies in Africa.
How could he if Africa doesn’t exist in his teaching, let alone the starving children

That's fun to throw something out there right away, but is that participating, inquiring?

Africa is a concept, an invention, while its starving children are not.

bruce sean · 2012-01-03 12:41:44

Eden wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
Or its lack thereof. But hunger doesn't exist in a free body.
What if you have a tape worm?

Don't expect me to answer such questions.

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