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#26 2011-12-21 16:43:44

bruce sean
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Re: wonderful world

snguyen wrote:

tree wrote:

snguyen wrote:


Sometimes K says that why human beings are so … incredibly … stupid and apologizes for the word. I am not one of K religion saints but I can understand why he uses the word.

go, and sin no more

An incredible phrase isn't it? Why is it so? That is because a sinner knows his sin and thus knows himself. He has a chance to be free and go sin no more; whereas the self righteous has no chance.

Sin is the invention of a fearful mind.

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#27 2011-12-21 16:45:17

bruce sean
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Re: wonderful world

BobD wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

The world is NOT wonderful.

Nor is it "not wonderful"

It is NOT wonderful. If we look in ourselves.

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#28 2011-12-21 16:47:43

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Re: wonderful world

oh bruce.. you are a wonder too,
but not seeing it brings the mess.

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#29 2011-12-21 16:53:21

bruce sean
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Re: wonderful world

That's a supposition, that beauty is inside us. A supposition which is part of the mess. The actual reality is that there is ugliness inside us, we are that ugliness.

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#30 2011-12-21 17:12:37

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Re: wonderful world

Ugliness is in the eye of the beholder. Get well soon.

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#31 2011-12-21 17:18:31

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Re: wonderful world

snguyen wrote:

tree wrote:

(my sweets sweeter than your sweet)

I see. But either you are salt or sugar. When you are sugar you talk about sugar.

when you are sugar you melt on the tongue, no words are necessary, just live the fact

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#32 2011-12-21 17:19:17

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Re: wonderful world

It is the beholder which is ugliness.

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#33 2011-12-21 17:33:54

tree
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Re: wonderful world

bruce sean wrote:

It is the beholder which is ugliness.

indeed, sugar is ugly

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#34 2011-12-21 17:35:52

bruce sean
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Re: wonderful world

Hiding behind meaningless phrases, again.

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#35 2011-12-21 17:36:53

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Re: wonderful world

when you are ugly you talk about ugliness

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#36 2011-12-21 17:38:00

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Re: wonderful world

One is ALWAYS ugly, no matter what. What matters is talking about facts, not some utopia.

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#37 2011-12-21 17:43:42

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Re: wonderful world

No utopia is needed. The beauty is already here, in its fullness.

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#38 2011-12-21 17:44:42

tree
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Re: wonderful world

bruce sean wrote:

One is ALWAYS ugly, no matter what. What matters is talking about facts, not some utopia.

only you are talking about your desire for utopia, and your anger, fear and frustration is what is communicated, not your freedom

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#39 2011-12-21 17:45:04

Eden
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Re: wonderful world

merry x-mas brucey

http://img2.imagesbn.com/images/103550000/103553019.jpg

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#40 2011-12-21 17:47:01

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Re: wonderful world

It is surely not needed, yet it's there.  Beauty IS there. The beauty you speak of, that is.

  True beauty is not just 'here' or there. You are relating beauty with a person, and that is not beauty.

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#41 2011-12-21 17:50:59

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Re: wonderful world

Nope, that is your projection.  The beauty is already here/there/everywhere in its fullness.  Nothing personal.

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#42 2011-12-21 17:52:44

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Re: wonderful world

tree wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

One is ALWAYS ugly, no matter what. What matters is talking about facts, not some utopia.

only you are talking about your desire for utopia, and your anger, fear and frustration is what is communicated, not your freedom

Freedom is not mine, nor yours. Freedom cannot be communicated, and I'm not trying to.

  What I try to communicate is the fact as it is, not as it is seen from freedom, or as I'd like to think it is. The facts of the world are quite ugly. They are important, not my or your desire to build a wonderful one instead.

  Facts must be seen first. That's not frustration, pessimism, or negativism. But we don't like the facts, and so we revolt, we protest. And because of that the facts remain.

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#43 2011-12-21 17:54:22

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Re: wonderful world

Eden wrote:

Nope, that is your projection.  The beauty is already here/there/everywhere in its fullness.  Nothing personal.

It is personal because you called it 'here'. You can NEVER say that.

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#44 2011-12-21 17:57:49

Eden
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Re: wonderful world

herethereeverywhere  (one word) 

the beauty is already present, in its fullness.

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#45 2011-12-21 17:59:07

tree
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Re: wonderful world

Eden wrote:

herethereeverywhere  (one word) 

the beauty is already present, in its fullness.

wait, bruce has something to add

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#46 2011-12-21 17:59:24

bruce sean
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Re: wonderful world

Then what are you doing here?

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#47 2011-12-21 18:01:19

tree
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Re: wonderful world

bruce sean wrote:

Then what are you doing here?

being beautiful

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#48 2011-12-21 18:02:24

tree
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Re: wonderful world

(mr ugly)

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#49 2011-12-21 18:04:28

bruce sean
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Re: wonderful world

tree wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Then what are you doing here?

being beautiful

Being beautiful IS ugliness.

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#50 2011-12-21 18:09:00

Eden
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Re: wonderful world

bruce sean wrote:

Then what are you doing here?

So we are in agreement now?

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