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Babs · 2011-12-09 14:33:56

ONES history. Discuss.

dhirendra · 2011-12-09 14:35:56

Okay

Babs · 2011-12-09 16:15:07

Okay, as in you want to discuss the comment of letting go of the stories we hear, tell ourselves and others?

pitfalll · 2011-12-09 16:25:41

Give me an example of a story that we tell ourselves Babs. I have an idea of what you mean, but I could be wrong (it wouldn't be the first time).

Babs · 2011-12-09 16:38:05

Memories for starters. Memories that maintain selfness.

Babs · 2011-12-09 16:39:11

memories that can maintain who and what one is.

Babs · 2011-12-09 16:41:41

Stories about what life is about. MEANING etc.

wilbro99 · 2011-12-09 16:45:28

Hi there gateman, I can guess what sort of memory keeps itself in play, and that because there must be a connection between what was and what is if itself is to be maintained.

Ha! That was a joke! Get it! Get it?

MF · 2011-12-09 16:49:19

welcome back Babs. Letting go is a result of understanding your reactions (which are your personal stories) to demands of this world.

joe · 2011-12-09 17:13:46

not so sure i go with that one MF...you see, if there is a reaction, a personal reaction to an event, then it is already too late, the event is stored psychologically. If the understanding of reaction is present the reaction typically is not. Maybe that is what you were saying but it did not transfer that way to me...

hey there bu!

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farmer · 2011-12-09 17:36:26

What is holding on?The process of holding on is deeply entrenched . Remember learning to ride a bike. The bruises ,pain and fear. Suddenly you go riding along and wonder how that happened.

MF · 2011-12-09 17:42:07

joe wrote:
not so sure i go with that one MF...you see, if there is a reaction, a personal reaction to an event, then it is already too late, the event is stored psychologically. If the understanding of reaction is present the reaction typically is not. Maybe that is what you were saying but it did not transfer that way to me...

hey there bu!

Hi Joe: I agree with you that if one only sees the reaction it is aleady in the past. To me understanding is implied real-time - as it is happening. Seeing and understanding (also called as flash) is simultaneous. I would say reaction is there but is instantaneously incorporated (meaningfully) into that understanding.

joe · 2011-12-09 17:44:19

so reaction is more along the lines of an itch that gets scratched with the understanding that negates its full arising? I can go with that, sure.

tree · 2011-12-09 18:30:33

creaction

tree · 2011-12-09 18:44:01

beans · 2011-12-09 19:08:26

Babs wrote:
ONES history. Discuss.

Hi Babs. The "I" is our story it seems. "I" am the one who has done all this or that, which is judged proudly or shamefully and continues.

And we build relationships in the present that reinforce our story.

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wilbro99 · 2011-12-09 19:16:16

From the stand up conic:

Ah yes, a thread whose title speaks to the end of a tale, and then asks about one's own tail, can only be interested in how one loses that metaphorical tail memory creates. The answer, of course, is a joke. Anything memory creates must be remembered, so forget that creation, stop creating it, and the connection is cut.

If you think it is difficult to stop thinking elephant, try stopping yourself from thinking self; just try to forget yourself. Here is the joke. Follow closely and laugh your tail off.

In order to forget yourself you must first find yourself, and once you have found yourself, you cannot forget yourself, for each attempt to so do leads back to yourself.

After the laughter resides, you will find that you no longer need to remember yourself.

What is the point of the joke? There are two perspectives from which the image of self created in the faculty of memory may be viewed; as the attempt to escape oneself by means of forgetting oneself, a dual notion, or as an act of re-membering, a singular notion.

The task that remains is to see exactly what it means, to cease re-membering. Imagine trying to put back together the frog you just dissected?

Babs · 2011-12-09 19:34:25

One has heard stories, that it is this I, or this EGO, that must be gone beyond. Or something like that. K implied with with the emtying of the content type questions. IN my opinion he was misunderstood when it was implied that such an emptying occured within an instant. ONE could say that about anything and everything, that it happens in the instant, but I say, ignoring the story, all that you've collected, believed, reinforced, is part of finding out what you are, or at least exploration. At some point the you making the effort to not do a thing, is aslo part of the ignoring.
THERE seems to be fear being caught within this I structure. Its predominantly about fear and control, IMO< sure it utilizes feelings of love, peace etc, but clings on to maintaining those states ever more. So anyway, there is much fear within this contest, is perhaps about the reason why we bring it with us, feed it, etc, not only to our own psychological responses, reactions, but to those of others. THERE is alot of pressure to keep this all going. One has become so used to it, one has forgotten that one is indeed an actor on the stage. If anything one has forgotten that they are playing a learnt role. NEVER questioned this I suppose, and well, letting go of the story, or finding yourself free from it, then one is very much forced to act. to use words, within the play. WIERD. Like being the biggest phoney, and walking around knowing a big fat lie, and not being able to say what it is. So letting go of the story, letting it surface and go up in flames due to starving it, not feeding it, one finds out. PERIOD. Whether one calls finding out, AWAKE, Enlightened, GOD knows what, well that is part of an old story. I call it sanity to at leas6t explore this.

Babs · 2011-12-09 19:43:25

Part of the story is that if you do wrong, you will suffer a consequence. Belief in that, creates fear, an attitude towards oneself, and also a response that might include. WELL, it must mean something, ones good actions, bad actions. It cannot mean nothing, like all is okay. Like you cannot just wipe it clean, and it not mean something. Like I couldn't of gone through the last 50 years and it be wiped for nothing. gone, etc.

Im just exploring some facets of our story here. Thought here would be a place to do so.

Babs · 2011-12-09 19:44:25

Now of course there are a myriad of stories, but you must admit, this right, wrong, karma, good bad etc, is pretty well a predominant one. BASED on FEAR and CONTROL. ego, imo.

Babs · 2011-12-09 20:13:52

wilbro, sure any effort to do this will maintain it, Is that what your laughing about. This is why K, I feel, said there is no how. in other words the you cannot bring this about. It starts surfacing, erupting all the time, or do you feel it is you that puts all your thoughts and feelings in your own body, like YOU are in control over what surfaces?????

Eden · 2011-12-09 21:59:43

Babs wrote:
I call it sanity to at least explore this.

Another story. Best of luck in your explorations.

wilbro99 · 2011-12-09 22:25:28

Eden wrote:
Babs wrote:
I call it sanity to at least explore this.
Another story. Best of luck in your explorations.

Ah, fresh meat! I see a grazer, and my meat digesting genes are leading me to it…

Let me polish my knives. There is the physical identity that separates the body from the rest of the world, and there is the psychological identity that is living in the time created by an is that was connection that projects its ending in the future.

There are those who negate their inner time while still living in the body. To them there is no inner, that inner having been stepped out of. Those who are still rummaging around in the choice are to be put in their place.

Well, I happen to be a carnivorous rummager, looking for such easy prey, and that because they cannot see me coming. They are blind to half of their wits, which is why they are called half-wits!

Ah, delectable!

[place large burp here]

Babs · 2011-12-09 23:04:29

thanks Eden, I wasn't talking about me,

Babs · 2011-12-09 23:05:59

Oh and good luck with your assumptions, you were assuming things were you not?

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