KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

I gladly accept you invitation ;-) I too think such a weekend would be great. A lot of the time people get together in order to do something, which is ok of course. But to get together not ignoring our mysterious life but putting it in the foreground would be the way to go, I feel.

yes..
i may be in ojai in march 2013 for a retreat, we could make it a forum-family-gathering,
and after years of exchanging only words i suspect there will be much space for silence..

yes of course, natura, the teachings are not to be caught in an idea of any sort..
the human mind is a commercial mind, always chasing after its believed benefit.

Today is sunday, I enjoy the quite time in the morning. No background noise from the far traffic. - Do I need any organization for this? - Not sure what I will be doing 15 months from now. But the idea that some of us here meet at some place, is excellent. As I understand Kirsten lives on a quite place.

WB wrote:

Today is sunday, I enjoy the quite time in the morning. No background noise from the far traffic. - Do I need any organization for this?

I guess you don’t need anyone to enjoy this time.
But the question is to enjoy silence.
Silence is not exactly stillness.
I bet you know the difference, WB.

WB wrote:

- Not sure what I will be doing 15 months from now. But the idea that some of us here meet at some place, is excellent.

Sharing with you that

WB wrote:

As I understand Kirsten lives on a quite place.

What, on the ears, is a quiet place today?

Several months back some people in Norway thought it might be a little island. You remember?

(will never happen to you, Kirsten)

kirsten wrote:

anything can happen at any time..

Of course, Kirsten. There is no insurance against that.

I said it not to put a jinx on you, just in case you believe in it.

A couple of month before this incident in Norway we were talking about similar one in supermarket in Holland.

Anyway, the WB’s thread about collective silence remains actual, doesn’t it?

kirsten wrote:

and yes, a collective silence, when all are quietly seeing for their own what is,
which then will be a collective seeing and the thinking together k talked about.

That sounds beautifully, Kirsten.

Krishnamurti was trying to do that, indeed, but I don’t think his audience to those times was really ready to adopt that practice.

And I also don’t think this kind of group could exist by putting people randomly together on commercial basis only.

Something much more is needed to achieve some really spiritual effect.

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WB wrote:

We dont 'want any spriritual effect'.

That transformation, mental revolution – that is the spiritual effect.
If you don’t want it you obviously will never get it.
Ultimately, it’s up to you, of course.

WB wrote:

There is no need for wanting but there is a need of being aware.

Who asks you if you need for wanting or not?

Have you discovered the whole nature of your desire, of your wanting?

WB wrote:

I admit unexpected things may happen and that might be called 'spiritual' as you say.

And what sort of ‘unexpected things’ do you expect to happen?

tree wrote:

WB wrote:

I think it is more about resetting our enormously complex body. In Kirsten's thread it was shown that there is a physical basis whatever we do, sense or think.

indeed

The thought is substantial.

Krishnamurti said it just a little long before Kirsten.
Someone said it just a couple of millenniums before him.
I know people who see it for themselves just as a fact without any believing what somebody has ever said.

So, should it be an excuse not to want to work hard on self-knowledge?

Is that what you are saying?

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tree wrote:

natura wrote:

tree wrote:

indeed

The thought is substantial.

Krishnamurti said it just a little long before Kirsten.
Someone said it just a couple of millenniums before him.
I know people who see it for themselves just as a fact without any believing what somebody has ever said.

So, should it be an excuse not to want to work hard on self-knowledge?

Is that what you are saying?

not an excuse, that is self knowledge

You think so, really?

That knowing of that peculiar fact was the all thing what we had to know to get that famous transformation?

Wasn’t it supposed to be just a little bit of it?

So… I think for myself…
It was just enough to read the Kirsten’s thread…

(it is here without effort)

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tree wrote:

natura wrote:

You think so, really?

not a matter of speculation, just action

Good words, agree

The last problem is to realize them