KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

awareness wrote:

Eden wrote:

awareness wrote:

if death is a hobby for you so it will be dreadful for you, eden

My only hobby at this present moment is one of spitting on your hobby...and I barely even had to try, K did it for me.

i understand, someone else understood it for you

....says the guy who goes around quoting dead people all day long.

Eden wrote:

Only a static mind sees a world in which 'animals are at war'.

Animals don't have a self-image. 2 dogs are fighting-violence-not psychologically(!), barking(!) at each other only, but actually fighting. I've seen those fights, perhaps in Hawaii or Canada they're non-violent(!).
Now, after the fight's over, the 'loser' dog doesn't spend its day 'thinking' about how bad it will look when the 'winner' dog will 'tell' the others in the neighbourhood! Or about the impression it made on other (male and female dogs) that happened to witness the fight!
  It gets over the whole thing as soon as it turned the corner, and starts looking for food, licking its wounds, but there is no psychological wound to lick.

  In humans, it is precisesly those wounds that last forever, and so cause everlasting pain. So forget animals, thought is merely hiding behind that rationalization, that we're animals, as an excuse to do all kinds of things, under the pretext that they're all 'natural'.

Eden wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Eden wrote:

Only a static mind sees a world in which 'animals are at war'.

Animals don't have a self-image. 2 dogs are fighting-violence-not psychologically(!), barking(!) at each other only, but actually fighting. I've seen those fights, perhaps in Hawaii or Canada they're non-violent(!).
Now, after the fight's over, the 'loser' dog doesn't spend its day 'thinking' about how bad it will look when the 'winner' dog will 'tell' the others in the neighbourhood! Or about the impression it made on other (male and female dogs) that happened to witness the fight!
  It gets over the whole thing as soon as it turned the corner, and starts looking for food, licking its wounds, but there is no psychological wound to lick.

When a dog gets beaten down by another dog or by a human, the dog stores all of that in its cells...the same way a human does.  It is totally natural and healthy to do so.

You haven't read carefully what was said.

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...but as you admitted, the animal called bruce "is stupid and nothing will ever change that".

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bruce sean wrote:

Eden wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Animals don't have a self-image. 2 dogs are fighting-violence-not psychologically(!), barking(!) at each other only, but actually fighting. I've seen those fights, perhaps in Hawaii or Canada they're non-violent(!).
Now, after the fight's over, the 'loser' dog doesn't spend its day 'thinking' about how bad it will look when the 'winner' dog will 'tell' the others in the neighbourhood! Or about the impression it made on other (male and female dogs) that happened to witness the fight!
  It gets over the whole thing as soon as it turned the corner, and starts looking for food, licking its wounds, but there is no psychological wound to lick.

When a dog gets beaten down by another dog or by a human, the dog stores all of that in its cells...the same way a human does.  It is totally natural and healthy to do so.

You haven't read carefully what was said.

the surest sign of a self-centred belief system is the inability to listen to anothers point of view.

I know you far better than you know yourself brucey.  I know exactly what you meant.

Eden wrote:

I know you far better than you know yourself brucey.  I know exactly what you meant.

So you say. You don't have to know me to get the meaning of a statement.

Animals don't have an ego. I'm not talking of physical illusions which are due to the perceptive systems of anything which lives. That is only natural. Egos are not.

Some birds fall for the scarecrow, some don't.  Some humans can distinguish between myth and fact, and some can't.  Where is the problem? 

When the human masses finally see the limitations of thought and conceptual intelligence and step out of it, do you really think that challenge and illusion will end? Utopia will arrive? Or will challenges and illusions actually grow even more complex?

RJ wrote:

'enjoying the ride' of conflict
being a 'knower'
relishing a follower

the perversity of the mind's self-centred and eternal hunger is that in such a place, no matter how many times you convince yourself you 'win' your conflicts, there is never an end to yur peacelessness so you make up a philosophy up to justify your constant angst and try to strengthen it by belittling anyone who doesn't share your beliefs.
It's been done in a million ways before.

I'm just talking. Don't mind me.

RJ wrote:

'enjoying the ride' of conflict
being a 'knower'
relishing a follower

the perversity of the mind's self-centred and eternal hunger is that in such a place, no matter how many times you convince yourself you 'win' your conflicts, there is never an end to yur peacelessness so you make up a philosophy up to justify your constant angst and try to strengthen it by belittling anyone who doesn't share your beliefs.
It's been done in a million ways before.

No beliefs here RJ.  Surely if I had a belief or beliefs you or one of your herd would have pointed them out by now, yes?  Feel free to bring it to my attention as clearly I can't see it.

No. Seeing color is an illusion. There's nothing to do about it, and there's no conflict it creates. Except of course when the ego kicks in, and then the colorblind is feeling sorry for himself for not seeing color, too.

  The ego creates all the human suffering. Blah-blah-blah-the language of the ego.

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bruce sean wrote:

RJ wrote:

'enjoying the ride' of conflict
being a 'knower'
relishing a follower

the perversity of the mind's self-centred and eternal hunger is that in such a place, no matter how many times you convince yourself you 'win' your conflicts, there is never an end to yur peacelessness so you make up a philosophy up to justify your constant angst and try to strengthen it by belittling anyone who doesn't share your beliefs.
It's been done in a million ways before.

I'm just talking. Don't mind me.

Hey big b, my bad, 'twas not you, I should have quoted Eden rather than just interjecting into your chat.

no you're doin alright lately Mr, less mirror smashings, more actual conversations

you've been less automatically adverserial and more humane in your dispatching of every thought, idea or utterance other than those which you might find if you were completely alone in remote deep space. 

trust it means you are going well on your way:)
and if so, as we say down here
goodonyamaaaaate.