KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

BobD wrote:

wilbro99 wrote:

Hi BobD, figured, I did, that you would be one of the idiots idiotic enough to jump in.

And it was not that difficult; I got the idea while several of us were sitting around the family room testing out scotch.

Someone, the only expert in the group, said that you needed new tastes and smells to come to you, and I thought that if one already had a smell, that might just be the ticket.

Well, that gave birth to this thread. I think it was during the Talisker moment.

Welcome. What's on you mind?

Nothing really on my mind. Just a nice warm fuzzy over the fact that the only dues for membership are the dues that I am in abundance of. Idiocy is the the most abundant of currency. I feel at one with my fellow human when we can acknowledge, together, our common abundance. (Theres a tear coming to my eye now) Fondly remembering my childhood, when my parents used to toss me up in the air to put me to sleep. Of course...the lower the ceiling...the more effective the method.

Good parenting is so important...

LOL!

joe wrote:

blasted misfits, don't you know that you are enlightened already!?!?!?!  The job is finished, you have seen the illusory I!  You are right iodine, the traffic is light and what do you know---noone is enlightened!

I guess a person could say they were enlightened during a moment of insight. Then that passes and whatever 'what is' is next is what is. Wha...?!

joe, I think that what we are proving is that only those whose sense of humor is activated can be an idiot!

As I read through the postings, I find that thread running through the posts.

If another has no sense of humor, how would they know if this herd of turtles is being serious or just playing with words?

For my part, it is definitely the latter; I play with words because it is fun to do so.

Great fun, this

joe wrote:

ok, so let's track that for a bit and see what pops up... …

I do not know what is going to pop up, but I know where this is going. That is a given if one know that the tracks one laid down and that the tracker who is tracking those tracks can track those tracks.

joe wrote:

… if we keep the same principle applied we see that one has to roll with a sense of humor in order to understand the sense of humor of another...in other words, we have to be able to read context of another into the forming context of oneself in order to get what is being said. …

Ok, same form in a more formal guise: Language is a tool for saying what we cannot say to another any other way. You brought the language to life by describing what it means to communicate that which only language can communicate. I took the life out of it, made it formal, and described the action your words performed.

I guess that it is my nature see forms in that mind's eye way. I see the form, and the words fill that form. It looks as if I am a mind's eye painter. Well, nothing I can do about that.

joe wrote:

If that context is such that it points to an understanding, then the understanding of oneself humorously must be included.

Yes, what breaks one up more than Bugs Bunny? To know that you cannot know yourself in that way, yet must if you are to understand yourself, is to know how to break yourself up after the affair of the words are over.

joe wrote:

I must know that idiocy is always just one turn away, the turn where humor is only funny at the expense of someone else.  I must have made that turn and seen it in its formation, seen it clean through.  That seeing must have turned to an understanding, and the understanding must have turned to a presential sense of oneself such that it is easy to laugh at oneself when/if these ends become apparent.

My God! A wonk! An honest to goodness wonk that worked the circle two times in one turn! The interjection of life into it was neither at the beginning of it, nor the end of it, but between it. It’s the movement from a formal that becomes informal, where the informal puts on the formal, and from there, a fully dressed personal form, to a shed those clothes by busting your seems at the joke.

[place chuckle of your choosing here]

beans wrote:

joe wrote:

blasted misfits, don't you know that you are enlightened already!?!?!?!  The job is finished, you have seen the illusory I!  You are right iodine, the traffic is light and what do you know---noone is enlightened!

I guess a person could say they were enlightened during a moment of insight. Then that passes and...?!

…and the whole life or that individual takes entirely another direction and essentially is never again so as it previously was.

Depends on the quality of that ‘moment of insight’, however.

beans wrote:

natura wrote:

beans wrote:

Hi

What do you think, can inquiry focused on another be a distraction?

But we are still talking about attentiveness, not focusing.

Can we see the difference?

But we’re not talking of concentrating (the K buzzword) exclusively when we talk about inquiry concerned with others, are we?

What are the factors that mihgt make something stand out in attention over soemthing else?

Beany, how do mean that ‘buzzword’?

Did K use it in vain just to baffle people and attract attention to himself or
you mean he used it frequently?

Real inquiry is meditation.

To let meditation happen we need deeply to understand and exactly know the difference between ‘concentration’ and ‘attentiveness’.

The only factor that might distract you in meditation is your own imagination.

beany, el natura has a distinction that expresses itself as the difference between focus and attentiveness.

it follows that attentiveness is the absent of the focus; and, if that difference is to be decisive, the absence of the one created by that focal point.

To say then, that it is that difference which makes a difference, the only question yet to be answered is how to bring that difference into being.

Surely, there must be a guide hanging around somewhere...

It goes sans saying that if el natura deems it advisable that I butt out here, I shall. It is not my intent to break his connection to you.

wilbro99 wrote:

natura wrote:

…and the whole life or that individual takes entirely another direction and essentially is never again so as it previously was.

Depends on the quality of that ‘moment of insight’, however.

beans, I would complicate the above by saying that the quality necessary to bring one direction to an end is one of an introduced discontinuity; a difference that will not let that old direction continue its operation.

If that direction is the arrow of time, the discontinuity that brings that movement to an end is the introduction of the timeless; it has a way of breaking things up. Perhaps that is the only place things can change; the changing place is where everything goes to be different.

Maybe we can sell tickets: get the change you desire; visit our changing place. Of course, I have already bottled the essence of it; it's called UF!

Well, if you have a one-way ticket, that might be something.

wilbro99 wrote:

beany, el natura has a distinction that expresses itself as the difference between focus and attentiveness.

it follows that attentiveness is the absent of the focus; and, if that difference is to be decisive, the absence of the one created by that focal point.

To say then, that it is that difference which makes a difference, the only question yet to be answered is how to bring that difference into being.

Surely, there must be a guide hanging around somewhere...

I'm not sure that attentiveness is the absence of focus, willy. It seems they can go hand in hand at times.

Yes, a difference that makes a difference can come and go, and a guide is helpful to a certain point.

wilbro99 wrote:

beany, el natura has a distinction that expresses itself as the difference between focus and attentiveness.

it follows that attentiveness is the absent of the focus; and, if that difference is to be decisive, the absence of the one created by that focal point.

To say then, that it is that difference which makes a difference, the only question yet to be answered is how to bring that difference into being.

Surely, there must be a guide hanging around somewhere...

hehehe...well willy, if it makes sense to someone they do not need it!  Fits right into this doesn't it?