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awareness wrote:

beans wrote:

awareness wrote:

that is connecting one moment by another, comparement from what was with what is, which is the continuation of the what was and therefore it is not the what is, in which transformation can occure.

One can look back and see these periods, what went on earlier. That is not the same thing as evaluating the I moment by moment.

of course, everything here, when one write is a looking back, its memory, noone can write in the timeless presence.-)

Any One expressing themselves would have to be in the timeless present, whatever that is,  to see what one could do, or not do rather than speculate, or believe, or pretend to be, still trapped  in thought as only memory. We are  Living mostly  not aware except rarely seeing thought, the background  is using memory and self projecting ? Doesn't that make sense to most of you that your own  awareness, can use memory, and keep thought in its right place as only a tool, with a deep sense of personal integral honesty?

A sense of wholeness  that refuses to move into the false beyond of thought which is factually only the field of illusion, self delusion, and superstitious belief ? A field of smoke and mirrors, dancing two steps,  with no inner flame or passion  for real Inquiry. Not inquiring into  two forms of technical, and non accumulative learning? Not having  real insights, flashes from our own inner lights, which  cannot be traditionally taught, passed on or down in words, or put in books or by any human being on earth .

Not  defined in time. Something new  free to any real  inquirer,  explorer, detective,  on earth not concluding on beliefs, and solutions to mankind's  tremendous psychologically invented divisive  problems . We'll see together or not but seeing is all we can really do right now and acting from that seeing is new  .  We'll see what happens to  me, you, and the others when we see together and think from that seeing. Some see they can  even agree, or disagree, or act or not act in life from our own individual hearing, and seeing fresh new, cleaned, not polluted by conditioning  brains when they begin to wake up new every day, some every moment, every hour,  and begin as beginners again . We'll see what happens today .  :-)

Last edited by everyone (2012-07-03 08:16:05)

and to make the confusion complete you can read in wiki under "mirror neurons"

awareness wrote:

and to make the confusion complete you can read in wiki under "mirror neurons"

Maybe you could see for yourself most have never seen a neuron, and never will here and that technical knowledge  will not help anyone make a psychological mirror to see themselves in . not even unaware people arguing that neuron mirrors will . :-)

everyone wrote:

awareness wrote:

everyone wrote:

Any One expressing themselves would have to be in the timeless present, whatever that is,  to see what one could do, or not do rather than speculate, or believe, or pretend to be, still trapped  in thought as only memory. We are  Living mostly  not aware except rarely seeing thought, the background  is using memory and self projecting ? Doesn't that make sense to most of you that your own  awareness, can use memory, and keep thought in its right place as only a tool, with a deep sense of personal integral honesty?

A sense of wholeness  that refuses to move into the false beyond of thought which is factually only the field of illusion, self delusion, and superstitious belief ? A field of smoke and mirrors, dancing two steps,  with no inner flame or passion  for real Inquiry. Not inquiring into  two forms of technical, and non accumulative learning? Not having  real insights, flashes from our own inner lights, which  cannot be traditionally taught, passed on or down in words, or put in books or by any human being on earth .

Not  defined in time. Something new  free to any real  inquirer,  explorer, detective,  on earth not concluding on beliefs, and solutions to mankind's  tremendous psychologically invented divisive  problems . We'll see together or not but seeing is all we can really do right now and acting from that seeing is new  .  We'll see what happens to  me, you, and the others when we see together and think from that seeing. Some see they can  even agree, or disagree, or act or not act in life from our own individual hearing, and seeing fresh new, cleaned, not polluted by conditioning  brains when they begin to wake up new every day, some every moment, every hour,  and begin as beginners again . We'll see what happens today .  :-)

Once again you stumble over your own words, there does not exist such thing called "own awareness" and awareness cannot be used, neither it can be used for something, nor has it a value to this world, which is thought. awareness has no relationship to thought. the only fragment, which said, that you exist, is thought. awareness even does not know of itself, never mind that perception tells you that you exist.

Really ? You using thought believe Awareness cannot use memory or thought ? Is that what you really believe ? I completely and factually disagree from my own awareness meaning the brains only not the self concern or possession of thought.    I think you have insight  confused with awareness but if you never had insight theres no sense just believing in it or agreeing .

Awareness is something anyone has, most rarely use mentally trapped in dualistic programmed  thought as their only guide. Simple awareness is where anyone should start learning not storing, except in technical school,  because it is the only sense anyone could ever be learning in beyond  thought.

An integral human being not conflicted, can be aware and  Using  thought and memory reasonably as well as seeing  memory technically  at the same time. Say in driving a car or finding your way here or learning about our inner ,motives, reactions pleasure seeking desires,fear  greed, ambition,  and violence, envy  and personal jealousies and double standards .  Peace to you it only comes in awareness, not in ideas, beliefs  or  thought .    :-)

then dont talk about "own" awareness, but i see you left that
and btw, you can use thought, without to be used by thought, but there is no use of awareness. Do you want to use love, everyone? for what?

Last edited by awareness (2012-07-04 11:13:29)

Most of us do not want to be intensely aware, it is too disturbing

    Questioner: How is it possible to be intensely aware while one is occupied with a particular job?

    Krishnamurti: I do not see the difficulty. Why can't one be intensely aware while doing the job? Whether the job is mechanical, scientific, or bureaucratic, in being intensely aware while you are doing that job, you will not only do it more efficiently but you will also begin to be aware of why you are doing it, what are the motives behind your work. You will find out if you are afraid of your boss; you will observe how you talk to your underlings and to those above you. Being intensely aware in your relationship with others, you will know whether you are creating enmity, jealousy, hatred; you will see all your own responses in relationship, whether you are here, in a bus, in your office, or in the factory. All this is implied in intense awareness.
    Also, if you are intensely aware, you might give up your job. Therefore, most of us don't want to be intensely aware; it is too disturbing; we would rather continue with what we are doing, even if it is very boring. At best, we break away from that which bores us and find a job which is less boring, but this too soon becomes routine.

    So, we are caught in habit: the habit of going to the office every morning, the habit of smoking, the sexual habit, the habit of ideas, concepts, the habit of being an Englishman, and so on. We function in habit. To be intensely aware of habit has its own danger, and we are afraid of danger. We are afraid of not knowing, of not being certain. There is great beauty, there is great vitality, in not being certain. It is not insanity to be completely insecure; it doesn't mean that one becomes psychotic. But none of us want that. We would rather break one habit and create a more pleasant habit.

Collected Works, Vol. XIII,212,Choiceless Awareness