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Correct . Stubbornness does not exist on its own. Self will can pursue, defend,deny, repress, suppress sacrifice, do almost anything to achieve a goal .Personal  will, will defend a premise, or principle, an ideal, or purpose, even the purpose to be a nobody, or not humble spiritual leader, is denied by will.   I am a nobody in spiritual circles already implies, I want followers even if I make the false claims I do not .  Can you imagine a man in school to learn politics saying i am a nobody, or I wanna become a nobody ?

Who cares anywhere what we think we are except when we are in groups that suggest a value to the becoming  they look on in a favorable light ?   There is no value in being a nobody because everyone that thinks,or asserts  they are a somebody, or a nobody, is already trapped in defending themselves being something, a living entity, not thought, not matter, not memory, not anything  that is  definable,  they never investigated as true, or not for themselves .  :-)

There is no such thing as wasted energy, Eden? Just consider something like controlling an emotion-like fear, anger, etc. Is it fruitfull? Is it practical? Practical in the sense is it based on facts & therefore can have the desired outcome-that is resolution of it?If not, is not the exercise a wastage of energy?

No shortage of youth......there is an infinit surplus?

Dear sir, million years from now the earth will be just a dusty planet without a single plant.All these must end.

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Jayaraj wrote:

There is no such thing as wasted energy, Eden? Just consider something like controlling an emotion-like fear, anger, etc. Is it fruitfull? Is it practical? Practical in the sense is it based on facts & therefore can have the desired outcome-that is resolution of it?If not, is not the exercise a wastage of energy?

No shortage of youth......there is an infinit surplus?

Dear sir. million years from now the earth will be just a dusty planet without a single plant.All these must end.

He's just talking in abstract terms, things written by some abstract minds, which made sense to eden, so they were accepted.
  The whole thing is intellectual.

Jayaraj wrote:

There is no such thing as wasted energy, Eden? Just consider something like controlling an emotion-like fear, anger, etc. Is it fruitfull? Is it practical? Practical in the sense is it based on facts & therefore can have the desired outcome-that is resolution of it?If not, is not the exercise a wastage of energy?

No shortage of youth......there is an infinit surplus?

Dear sir, million years from now the earth will be just a dusty planet without a single plant.All these must end.

"ending" is an illusion, obviously.  ending and beginning are one and the same, simultaneous in fact. guess you haven't noticed?

wilbro99 wrote:

I could add that such a dimension, if it were to have practical applications, must be everywhere and nowhere, ubique et nusquam. This is to say that the ground of everything is the singular dimension, the dimension of ubique et nusquam, the dimension of one.

Now, what you would be saying that there is only the dimension of one and that there are no other dimensions. There is no ending that is not a beginning, there is no still, there is no absence of change.

I am not sure I would buy that without looking more closely at the ending of that dimension by letting it divide into two. Just a suggestion, mind you.

everywhere vs nowhere is yet another fragmentation of that which is one.

dimensions(plural) is also yet another fragmentation of that which is one. 

something ending by dividing into two is not ending at all. 

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wilbro99 wrote:

That's Ok Eden, you can be forgiven, which I shall, for not catching my meaning of everywhere and nowhere; it was not one contra the other, but the single dimension necessary to make an all of any given universe.

Then might I suggest removing the space between the words(and the conjunction) and refer to it henceforth as everywherenowhere. That would at least be one step out of the flatulence cloud.

Eden wrote:

Jayaraj wrote:

There is no such thing as wasted energy, Eden? Just consider something like controlling an emotion-like fear, anger, etc. Is it fruitfull? Is it practical? Practical in the sense is it based on facts & therefore can have the desired outcome-that is resolution of it?If not, is not the exercise a wastage of energy?

No shortage of youth......there is an infinit surplus?

Dear sir, million years from now the earth will be just a dusty planet without a single plant.All these must end.

"ending" is an illusion, obviously.  ending and beginning are one and the same, simultaneous in fact. guess you haven't noticed?

Sorry sir, I think this is just rhetoric, without really knowing what it means, evading my post!

Ending is the beginning, you say. That's another isuue. Probably it means that which ends reaches energy & which begins begins with energy. So where it began it ends.

everyone wrote:

Correct . Stubbornness does not exist on its own. Self will can pursue, defend,deny, repress, suppress sacrifice, do almost anything to achieve a goal .Personal  will, will defend a premise, or principle, an ideal, or purpose, even the purpose to be a nobody, or not humble spiritual leader, is denied by will.   I am a nobody in spiritual circles already implies, I want followers even if I make the false claims I do not .  Can you imagine a man in school to learn politics saying i am a nobody, or I wanna become a nobody ?

Who cares anywhere what we think we are except when we are in groups that suggest a value to the becoming  they look on in a favorable light ?   There is no value in being a nobody because everyone that thinks,or asserts  they are a somebody, or a nobody, is already trapped in defending themselves being something, a living entity, not thought, not matter, not memory, not anything  that is  definable,  they never investigated as true, or not for themselves .  :-)

Yes.
That post was made 2 yrs and 4mos ago. I think it had a reply and a counter reply, both deleted :-)

bruce sean wrote:

beans wrote:

Seeing the energy of youth wasted on becoming and struggling and acquiring, bargaining to ignore what they see in exchange for just a little more of the world. There is always tomorrow to be serious, and somehow who each is justifies picking and choosing the terms of existence.

The world rewards the choices and reinforces the blindness. Over time, the path becomes built in and harder to escape-- insidious.

Stubbornness doesn’t see that its energy is not its own.

Whose energy is it?

The point is that it is not owned by a person who believes him/herself to be a separate, controlling entity - even if that entity is overlaid with an image of Nobody.

Sorrow probably comes and goes for most of us; sadness probably does for any human. What would you call that feeling that comes after a deep sorrow has been gone through - perhaps it accompanies 'compassion', but feels like a sunset in the heart. Sorry to be so flowery, not my style, but am not sure there are words to describe it.

beans wrote:

Sorrow probably comes and goes for most of us; sadness probably does for any human. What would you call that feeling that comes after a deep sorrow has been gone through - perhaps it accompanies 'compassion', but feels like a sunset in the heart. Sorry to be so flowery, not my style, but am not sure there are words to describe it.

How about a sunrise of  the heart, or the sun after a heavy rain storm . Yes Beans is there any such thing as a permanent feeling for any human being and would life not be terrible if we did not have a wealth of rich vital feelings, and compassion at the right times to  . I see there is not a permanent emotion or thought .    :-)

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beans wrote:

everyone wrote:

How about a sunrise of  the heart, or the sun after a heavy rain storm . Yes Beans is there any such thing as a permanent feeling for any human being and would life not be terrible if we did not have a wealth of rich vital feelings, and compassion at the right times to  . I see there is not a permanent emotion or thought .    :-)

Those descriptions touch on it also.

No, there is no permanent feeling and they are all sensations that come as a package deal with life :-) Such as sadness.

However part of sorrow is a thought that things should be other than what they are, wouldn't you say?

yes Beans that is part of it to this should not be .  I would say for me what I have seen is that sorrow is mostly why me, or self pity . I do not see sorrow as a path to anything wonderful, or any awakening . Yes I agree a lot of people nurture sorrow thinking it is spiritual . :-)

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