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#51 2012-06-20 21:45:37
Re: The I Consciousness is the Problem, Not Consciousness of the I
<<Hi Willy: I think there is a weak executive function and a stronger, better grounded one. Does that make any sense? …>>
Yes, it makes sense. What remains for us here is to come to an understanding of what that difference means, which is to say that we would see that difference in the same light.
<<… I usually in fact don't put my take on things with the use of the term executive function but I was groping for a different way of talking about the observer. …>>
If you and I are talking about the same difference, we will find many more ways of characterizing it.
<<… The observer can be smart or stupid, clueless (gummed up) or clued-in. But its still the observer, and he is fooled or not fooled by how things look in the mundane world of appearances.>>
Could you say more what you have in mind by this *mundane world of appearances*? I don't have an interpretation of it.
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#52 2012-06-20 21:50:07
- Niko N.
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Re: The I Consciousness is the Problem, Not Consciousness of the I
wilbro99 wrote:
<<Hi Willy: I think there is a weak executive function and a stronger, better grounded one. Does that make any sense? …>>
Yes, it makes sense. What remains for us here is to come to an understanding of what that difference means, which is to say that we would see that difference in the same light.
<<… I usually in fact don't put my take on things with the use of the term executive function but I was groping for a different way of talking about the observer. …>>
If you and I are talking about the same difference, we will find many more ways of characterizing it.
<<… The observer can be smart or stupid, clueless (gummed up) or clued-in. But its still the observer, and he is fooled or not fooled by how things look in the mundane world of appearances.>>
Could you say more what you have in mind by this *mundane world of appearances*? I don't have an interpretation of it.
Well. I meant that subjects and objects have their charms and uses.
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#53 2012-06-20 22:03:40
Re: The I Consciousness is the Problem, Not Consciousness of the I
Nico: "… The observer can be smart or stupid, clueless (gummed up) or clued-in. But its still the observer, and he is fooled or not fooled by how things look in the mundane world of appearances."
willy: "Could you say more what you have in mind by this *mundane world of appearances*? I don't have an interpretation of it."
Nico: "Well. I meant that subjects and objects have their charms and uses."
Oh heavens, no idea of what that means. Do you mean that fooled or not fooled in any categorical sense? I only ask because I am trying to get an idea of how you view that difference. I myself see that difference as a make or break difference.
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#54 2012-06-20 22:12:22
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Re: The I Consciousness is the Problem, Not Consciousness of the I
wilbro99 wrote:
Nico: "… The observer can be smart or stupid, clueless (gummed up) or clued-in. But its still the observer, and he is fooled or not fooled by how things look in the mundane world of appearances."
willy: "Could you say more what you have in mind by this *mundane world of appearances*? I don't have an interpretation of it."
Nico: "Well. I meant that subjects and objects have their charms and uses."
Oh heavens, no idea of what that means. Do you mean that fooled or not fooled in any categorical sense? I only ask because I am trying to get an idea of how you view that difference. I myself see that difference as a make or break difference.
It is important whether one is fooled or not fooled, but not being fooled doesn't mean that we can't work with the world of appearances. We are not fooled by it as we are in it, charmed by it, even using it. Hmm, did I really come up with that?
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#55 2012-06-20 22:23:53
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I am still lost by what you mean when you say the world of appearances.
Were I to guess, I would say that you are saying what I mean by the term *it seems so* when used to represent a fact.
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#56 2012-06-20 22:27:35
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Re: The I Consciousness is the Problem, Not Consciousness of the I
wilbro99 wrote:
I am still lost by what you mean when you say the world of appearances.
Were I to guess, I would say that you are saying what I mean by the term *it seems so* when used to represent a fact.
I'm sorry for being unclear. By world of appearances I mean the world put together by thought, the world of subject and object. That world does seem to be so. It does seem to be oh so true?
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#57 2012-06-21 14:55:45
- bruce sean
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Re: The I Consciousness is the Problem, Not Consciousness of the I
Niko N. wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
That's the insight: that there is no container. You know, insight doesn't come from a container.
It would be an insight that there is no container - only the mechanics of thinking.
That's what I said. And that insight clears the field.
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