KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

bruce sean wrote:

RJ wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Can you approach another not as a doctor? It seems that you want to relate through the image which, unfortunately, your profession gives you, asking for it or not.

hang on a sec, I'll just ask my partner, children, friends, family, neighbours and fellows along the way...
the answer is... yes.

I think you are experiencing a self-induced psychotic break with reality Bruce. I was open to revising this opinion so I dropped my impression (as easy as blinking) and tried to openly engage with you over a few days... and here we are.

I think you are incapable of mutually intimate human relationships but also that the instinctive response of pity that this brings up is inappropriate as it is entirely your own choice to be this way.
I have the impression that you grew up somewhere on the autistic spectrum (many inappropriate reactions, chess obsession, profoundly self-centred world view etc.) and this has given you a pass from needing to work, form friendships etc.
Again, the impulse may be to sympathy and social welfare type support but all this misses the much richer opportunity that dropping the childhood stories and facing what underlies the sickness could potentiate.
That however, fortunately, is not my job, we do not have a therapeutic relationship.

As usual, you are doing anything but to relate: you are completely unaware that you didn't drop anything, images are there, alive and kicking, so many of them no wonder you are moving from one contradiction on to another.

  I am relating to you, I have all this time, but the images that are so obviously in place, so many of them you have about me, prevented you, and still do, from relating to me. You are so busy giving diagnostics that you are not listening not only to what I am saying to you, but also to those images: you are blind to them, and they do prevent you from relating. In your family, the same goes on: only a blind believes he's relating to another blind, like his family is something special.

  The masquarade of society is going on in your family as well; that is the true delusion, that you are already relating; delusion which is preventing you from doubting this existing way of 'relating' to others.

  You haven't related to me from day one, and still don't: what you call relationship is another entertaining the same illusion as you have, and when they don't, you question them, not the illusion itself.

  So I'm still waiting for you to drop all the images which that unfortunate profession provides aplenty.

poor fellow, it's lonely at the top.

those ropes of love and compassion you extend down to we deluded humans?  They look like the nooses of a hangman. "Die, do nothing!" Ugh, what a genetic dead-end!

But then you know all that eh, you delight in the unpalability and ugliness of your 'truth'.  Nothing would disturb your world more than actually having someone join you in it.

bruce sean wrote:

Healthy human being? I don't see any.

And you never will.  They don't hang out in your circles.

everyone wrote:

There are  billions in the world below the poverty levels, that have no water close to their homes, and no clean water .Yes I have clear glasses do you ?    No smile for this .

You have selective vision.  Where I live none of that is happening at all....the total opposite of all that in fact. The world is full of diversity and the full spectrum of human consciousness.  You are focused on one part of the spectrum and you have given it total importance.  You are entirely blind to the rest of the spectrum. 

The majority will always be less conscious than the minority....it has always been that way and always will be that way.  You expect every human to evolve in lock step?  That's hilarious!

Eden wrote:

jeff law wrote:

i don't think i've missed anything but you sure are missing the beauty of life which is free of illusion, projection assumption by clumping nature and conditioned human beings together.well if it is how you see then carry on bunny buns.you'll find plenty of company on this forum.meanwhile i'll take a trip to italy with this gorgeous italian friend.

I don't 'think' you've missed anything, I see for a fact that you have.  As for me "clumping" life into one movement....guilty as charged.  Though life is anything but a "clump".    The very fact that you separate human beings from nature, speaks volumes about your maturity, and explains why you lash out and label and jump to conclusions like you do. 

The fact is that you see a world made up of all sorts of different movements and various fragments, some of which you separate yourself from to analyze and label and then fight against and vilify. What makes you different than any other mind that does the same?  When you have seen one fragmented mind, you have seen them all.  Right? 

As for Italy....it doesn't matter where you go, the fragmentation is coming along for the ride.

jibberish you spout as usual and your brain clearly has not evolved enough to understand anything i speak.i do not see the world for it should be but for what it is.there is no fight or lashing out surrender simply pointing out the immature jibberish that you spout non stop.another preachy chruchy new age baba.this forum is fit for immature minds like you.enjoy.

jeff law wrote:

this forum is fit for immature minds like you.enjoy.

It seems to be you are on a path to be here at the forum until the very end, long after I am gone.  What better place to come and separate yourself from life and other humans and analyze them and label them.  I doubt you will find a better place to endlessly and safely engage in that.

Let me know when you outgrow it, or grow tired of it. When you do....communication and fun might actually be possible with you. If not, that's cool too.

joe wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Why? One can be a beggar.

it is still work to beg bruce, not really that different.  I am careful in my wordings with you because you pick at words so tirelessly, so I left that possibility open by saying pretty much the whole world.

Ok, if you consider begging work, thenI agree completely: one must do something to survive, hunt, etc: you are calling work 'looking for food'-ok, but that is obvious, no one can argue with the fact that one has to look for food. Many though, wouldn't call that work...so your indignation over my misunderstanding is a bit of a stretch.

Respectfully indignated, after omitting to explain a peculiar understanding of the word 'work'-does that show carefulness when using words?

RJ wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

RJ wrote:

hang on a sec, I'll just ask my partner, children, friends, family, neighbours and fellows along the way...
the answer is... yes.

I think you are experiencing a self-induced psychotic break with reality Bruce. I was open to revising this opinion so I dropped my impression (as easy as blinking) and tried to openly engage with you over a few days... and here we are.

I think you are incapable of mutually intimate human relationships but also that the instinctive response of pity that this brings up is inappropriate as it is entirely your own choice to be this way.
I have the impression that you grew up somewhere on the autistic spectrum (many inappropriate reactions, chess obsession, profoundly self-centred world view etc.) and this has given you a pass from needing to work, form friendships etc.
Again, the impulse may be to sympathy and social welfare type support but all this misses the much richer opportunity that dropping the childhood stories and facing what underlies the sickness could potentiate.
That however, fortunately, is not my job, we do not have a therapeutic relationship.

As usual, you are doing anything but to relate: you are completely unaware that you didn't drop anything, images are there, alive and kicking, so many of them no wonder you are moving from one contradiction on to another.

  I am relating to you, I have all this time, but the images that are so obviously in place, so many of them you have about me, prevented you, and still do, from relating to me. You are so busy giving diagnostics that you are not listening not only to what I am saying to you, but also to those images: you are blind to them, and they do prevent you from relating. In your family, the same goes on: only a blind believes he's relating to another blind, like his family is something special.

  The masquarade of society is going on in your family as well; that is the true delusion, that you are already relating; delusion which is preventing you from doubting this existing way of 'relating' to others.

  You haven't related to me from day one, and still don't: what you call relationship is another entertaining the same illusion as you have, and when they don't, you question them, not the illusion itself.

  So I'm still waiting for you to drop all the images which that unfortunate profession provides aplenty.

poor fellow, it's lonely at the top.

those ropes of love and compassion you extend down to we deluded humans?  They look like the nooses of a hangman. "Die, do nothing!" Ugh, what a genetic dead-end!

But then you know all that eh, you delight in the unpalability and ugliness of your 'truth'.  Nothing would disturb your world more than actually having someone join you in it.

You can only join in this state when you die. Then you're not joining me, for I'm dead also. But people are too rushy: they want to join in this state, while the false is still present: I say it's not possible-die first, as horrible as that sounds, but to to get to immortality, one must die first!

bill collector?

joe wrote:

bill collector?

Ha, ha, that would be dreadful! No sir, I would probably be making good money if I did that.

  You know, I'm going to say something which will bother some: the man who understands all this cannot take care of himself: somebody else must.

bruce sean wrote:

joe wrote:

bill collector?

Ha, ha, that would be dreadful! No sir, I would probably be making good money if I did that.

  You know, I'm going to say something which will bother some: the man who understands all this cannot take care of himself: somebody else must.

ah, so you will continue to allow others to cover most of your cost, and yet something is different.  Just a short while ago you were never going to work at all and yet now you are working a bit at a place you do not care for and can not wait to be finished with.

It seems a safe assumption that the one to cover costs may be tiring of that situation. 

There is not a one who understands all this, there is a complex commonly known manifesting strongly.

bruce sean wrote:

Commonly known by who? Who concocts diagnostics, who labels: 'the messiah complex'? The fragmented mind looks and what it sees is of no interest to me.

  And speaking of me, I didn't say I was not working, that is your conclusion. It doesn't matter what the one covering the costs feels(if there was such a person): that person/persons feels/feel nothing but suffering, and by supporting this person they are doing something different than just perpetuating conflict.

Yeah I will cop to the labeling, my bad, though you sure make it easy when you say stuff like you did above.  What they seem to be supporting you to do is type here much of the time.  Do you think that reduces conflict in the world?

  You did say you would never work though, maybe a year or so ago.  Something has changed.  I have no interest in digging into your personal life bruce, I am really not after that.  I am just observing what you say.