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#76 2012-05-30 17:59:34

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Re: Zen and K

turn the page that one didn't work...and willy I think I am on ning but haven't been there for quite a while...

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#77 2012-05-30 18:01:49

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http://jkrishnamurti.ning.com/photo/eps … ntext=user


well, that worked, but I got the whole page, if that is the way you want to go...

Last edited by wilbro99 (2012-05-30 18:02:55)

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#78 2012-05-30 18:03:42

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Re: Zen and K

yes the kfa ning may do too, facebook does too
a right-click on the image will bring you to "properties" below in the list
and when clicking on "properties" the url-address will show up from there
then copy the url here with the two codes
[img]at the front and[/img] at the end
goodluck:)

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#79 2012-05-30 18:07:10

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Re: Zen and K

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150846684621658&set=a.479545346657.262021.554841657&type=1&theater

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#80 2012-05-30 18:08:19

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strange.. i did some facebook-pictures before and they did show up here alright

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#81 2012-05-30 18:12:19

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Re: Zen and K

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/306272_10150846684621658_554841657_9898774_1886778683_n.jpg

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#82 2012-05-30 18:16:30

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tadaaa:)
don't know why the first attempt didn't work.. i see the address ended with 'theater' ?
and this i took from your page and the address does not end with the word 'theater'..

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#83 2012-05-30 18:19:25

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Re: Zen and K

big toad bytheway..
and yes the toad isn't talking but the face says it all

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#84 2012-05-30 18:54:13

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Re: Zen and K

RJ wrote:

suzakico wrote:

RJ wrote:


something along the lines of growing the balls to be yourself
K would say something about lighting yourself up

in any case, you get the idea

I'll do the up close and personal if and when I get to know you ok,
I don't get into bed on the first date.

[I don't get into bed on the first date.]

LOLOL

Thanks (?!) for that!  But just so you know that I do not have much depth...
at least that is how I feel here and now.
what you see is what you get. 

Hmm... what I may mean is (see  I am shallow)...
I cannot carry many bags.  To heavy!

Does that mean I get into bed on the first date..?
I can give a rather recent story but ... may not be appropriate here.

(right, I have some depth left in me still.  Ha!)
Kio

I gather you are wonderfully wealthy (the travel, long holidays, diving etc.)
so what do you do to redress that imbalance? (aside from pretending to be superficial)

Yes, you are right, I am a hypocrate.  (and full of paradox)
That makes even more difficult to explain who I am.
but I can try.. for you and me (if you believe it)

OK, I agree that I am relatively wealthy.
Wilbro99 came to my house some 13 years ago, the first time we met
- perhaps one year before my spiritual experience in 2000.
He saw me living in the gated community with this and that...
and commented something I no longer remember.

Ahh.. later I visited his house, he said.. (this I remember)
he expected me driving up to his house with a Rolls Royce   LOL

You know what?
I still drive that '87 Honda hatchback I bought in 1986
to go surfing, diving, etc. and have no desire to sell.  I love the car.
It is reliable, can get dirty, I need to clean up only few times a year.. etc.

It even has a dent on the side as someone hit the last year.
(Ins. co. did not want to fix it because the damage was greater than the resale value of my car. I got $1,500 check for it)

A side story here.. pondering what to do with the large dent...
I put a sign next to it; "Impermanence"
(more story at my facebook if interested: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=775288409 )

Anyway...that is the story of the car I drive.

You know.. I must be very "cheap" - an extreme case.  But pragmatism is in me, if I may say so.  I wrote a book on waste elimination called "New Manufacturing Challenge" - re: Toyota Production System.  It has a lot to do with it... but not all, perhaps...

And yes, connection to Zen is there.. Like story of monks not wasting anything, I could resonate to that.  Life in Zen temple is extreme.. i.e., have minimum of what you need to get the job done, i.e., Satori.

The money I made, I was largely lucky but with some intuitive sense.  The house I bought was mainly for investment.  But I always turned off unused light left by my wife, which is a story of its own.

I have no wish to waste money, possess anything unnecessary (perhaps except for investment for future use), stupid I am... I just want to give all away when I die, the best possible way I can think of donating.. at the moment is California Vipassana Center where I had that spiritual experience in 2000.

I believe that mind is the cause of human problem, so putting money sent for poverty may be good and understandable.  But I do not wish to treat the symptom.  The cause is in our own mind, as I see it.

I can give more stories but would be boring.

Bottom line, I live in the paradox...

Here is a Koan I took from the words of Picasso:
He said something like.. "I like having money but want to live like a poor man."

I think the idea is to live fully, creatively and not to be used by the money...
I heard he was full of paradox... When you read his word (check: quote from picasso),
I found he 'understood' zen.

So what? Back to your... re: superficial living.
My comment may be; appearance may not reflect his heart...

But like you say, I may be lying...if I say that.

My own answer has been this:

After that spiritual experience in 2000, I promised to live truthfully.
I monitored my behavior and reflected that through what I call now, "Life Profile" (see my blog: http://newherosjourney.blogspot.com/  or video in youtube )

Am I succeeding???
To me, this is a continuous process.

Do I yet behave arrogant, and ego-driven?
I am sure that happens... I know I have to fight... (without fighting)
or it happens without knowing so, perhaps...

So, it is a moment to moment practice.
But I have some idea... and I keep working on it.
I certainly remain to be a student of life.

Because I know it when I don't do things right, I get punished...LOL
and there are many lessons I am going through...never ending.

Lucky me as human... I get the other side as well when I come out of it

Yet, the bright side is that there is that infinite light (if I may say so)
as if it is guiding me.

I hope I answered your question... and answered to myself as well,
Kio

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#85 2012-05-30 19:10:13

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Re: Zen and K

Hi...

I listened the song and tears run down...
with old memories...
and I remember you and sue dragon talking about flying in the orbit...
whereas I was watching and pondering what it might mean

I thought I kept that in record but now it is gone... from the web
I may have it in my computer but that is another story...

==
It's a very ancient saying,
But a true and honest thought,
That if you become a teacher,
By your pupils you'll be taught.

[Singing] As a teacher I've been learning --
You'll forgive me if I boast --
And I've now become an expert,
On the subject I like most.

[Spoken] Getting to know you.

[Singing] Getting to know you,
Getting to know all about you.
Getting to like you,
Getting to hope you like me.

Getting to know you,
Putting it my way,
But nicely,
You are precisely,
My cup of tea.

[ANNA AND THE MOTHERS]

Getting to know you,
Getting to know all about you.
Getting to like you,
Getting to hope you like me.

Getting to know you,
Putting it my way,
But nicely,
You are precisely,

[ANNA]

My cup of tea.

[ALL]

Getting to know you,
Getting to feel free and easy
When I am with you,
Getting to know what to say

Haven't you noticed
Suddenly I'm bright and breezy?
Because of all the beautiful and new
Things I'm learning about you
Day by day.

Getting to know you,
Getting to feel free and easy
When I am with you,
Getting to know what to say

Haven't you noticed
Suddenly I'm bright and breezy?
Because of all the beautiful and new
Things I'm learning about you
Day .. by ... day.

==

Thank you and I thank for our accidental? encounter and everything that followed since.  Yes, there is action and there is consequences --perhaps with a touch of some unknown hand,

Kio

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#86 2012-05-30 19:33:21

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Re: Zen and K

kirsten wrote:

thankyou kio for being the new blood

yes i did read suzuki and i liked it
enjoyed reading watts very much too
reading is fun
seeing is even more

moving on

Well, it seems that today is the day of reflection and ... new discovery?! for me.
I liked the video and perhaps the "stance/mind?" you have in uploading these, so I subscribed and felt that we might have something in common.
After all I also have uploaded some 80 videos...with my channel name "suzakico"

I also liked this one and posted at my facebook re: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl … jqhRfMtLR8
thinking,,,,it is as if life's stream is flowing from the unknown to the unknown....

Now back to the beetle scene..was my reflection from my report of 2000 experience on the 7th day:
"... I then noticed one ant carrying extra big piece bigger than the size of his body. When he got stuck by the pine needles, he needed to figure out ways to pull this piece to continue his mission. No ants were complaining who had heavy load or taking more rest, or anything like that. Every one of them was actively working to do the job. Naturally, I had to pass them very carefully so that I did not step on them." 

Hakuin had similar experience re: ant carrying a heavy thing, I found it later.
There certainly is something about the nature's way and how it appeals to us.
possibly triggering something from deep within.

Toad... may express some interesting presence....
and in the background is that old pond - with that eternal silence...

Kio

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#87 2012-05-30 19:34:50

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Re: Zen and K

kio, did you see the picture Kirsten posted of the toad I spoke of yesterday?  You asked for it and there it is...

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#88 2012-05-30 19:37:40

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Re: Zen and K

ah yes i see you did...

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#89 2012-05-30 19:46:49

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Re: Zen and K

joe wrote:

ah yes i see you did...

So, are we basically saying there is mysticism (lack of my vocabulary here, perhaps) that cannot be conveyed but still can be conveyed...?!?!

...where any answer cannot be the answer...or something like that?

(if so,,, of course I do not need any answer?!?!?! .. and if so...
I should get back to do some work!)

Thank you all,
Kio

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#90 2012-05-30 19:49:45

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been a pleasure kio, be well...

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#91 2012-05-30 19:51:30

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Re: Zen and K

kirsten wrote:

tadaaa:)
don't know why the first attempt didn't work.. i see the address ended with 'theater' ?
and this i took from your page and the address does not end with the word 'theater'..

thanks for your work here Kirsten...toad stayed awhile that day and let me get five feet away for the picture...

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#92 2012-05-30 19:56:18

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Re: Zen and K

where he dwells...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s320x320/600997_10150846866356658_554841657_9899208_772592339_n.jpg

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#93 2012-05-30 19:57:18

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woohoo, I think I finally understand how to post pictures...look out tree!

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#94 2012-05-30 21:03:48

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Re: Zen and K

Kio: I hope I answered your question... and answered to myself as well,

thank you for sharing it

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#95 2012-05-31 04:08:37

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Re: Zen and K

suzakico wrote:

The cause is in our own mind, as I see it.

Yay! Another expert on causes.  Or are you a student?

The only thing you are 'seeing' is a projection of your own fragmented imagination.  Would you like to guess the cause?

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#96 2012-05-31 04:56:38

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Re: Zen and K

toad eden likes to jump in the pond with a huge noisy splash

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#97 2012-05-31 10:24:24

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kirsten wrote:

toad eden likes to jump in the pond with a huge noisy splash

LOL

Why don't you take care of him?
Just reading his post, it seems like that may be the best scenario although I am not sure if more breadcrumbs may spread over the pond. 

In the mean time, I will go over to the other pond,
Kio

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#98 2012-05-31 13:24:28

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Re: Zen and K

oh yes i do

and so we ponder on

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#99 2012-05-31 13:34:11

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Re: Zen and K

about nature triggering something from deep within..
of course, we are nature, how can we even forget ?

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#100 2012-05-31 13:40:49

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yes and we are also in outer space...

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