KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

There is no noble or better conditioning :Does not the urge of the mind to free itself from its conditioning set going another pattern of resistance and conditioning? Having become aware of the pattern or mold in which you have grown up, you want to be free from it; but will not this desire to be free condition the mind again in a different manner? The old pattern insists that you conform to authority, and now you are developing a new one which maintains that you must not conform; so you have two patterns, one in conflict with the other. As long as there is this inner contradiction, further conditioning takes place....There is the urge that makes for conformity, and the urge to be free. However dissimilar these two urges may seem to be, are they not fundamentally similar? And if they are fundamentally similar, then your pursuit of freedom is vain, for you will only move from one pattern to another, endlessly. There is no noble or better conditioning, and it is this desire that has to be understood. The book of Life May 25

pearl wrote:

Interesting walking in here after since last noon finding that people have gone on and on, some people supporting 'banning' some and some not agreeing, the debate.

Seriously, this whole buisiness of banning is utterly silly, childish and sorta pretty cheap.  Is this how people solve stuff??  People are doing this world over, banning, eliminating each other, sabotaging one another and nobody actually really listening to one another!  Such restlesness and in such hurry to do this,  get there, get rid of that.  I mean if you're all going to behave no different than the rest of the world what's the point of your having read Krishnamurti?

Anyways, evidently the ones who're yelling violence the most seem violent themselves, or representing violence.  Violence is always in the thought of it, the thought which is the thinker and then seeing this she/he wants to change it by controlling, adding rules, concepts..and yet humanity doesn't change for these are temporary fixes.

Ain't it really silly and immature, these time outs, bannings?  Makes me laugh. I mean I've never once felt the need to even utter something as foolish as the word, 'time-out', forget imposing it.

I do wish that humanity grows out of this immaturity, childishness and begins to look within and find peaceful ways to communicate than using violence on violence.  Afterall, we're supposed to be evolving, not devolving!

It's such a glorious day, the cool breezes, the early morning quiet and that amazing walk....transporting you to places thought can never enter....

Have a fabulous day all you ladies and guys and do try and take it easy.  Chill, cool, enjoy the moment, let go, begin afresh...and thank you for letting me share my observations, thoughts.

very well written, pearl. i cannot understand, how long the people spend their time with k talks and really many of them are only on that very superficial level, philosophic-amateurs and/or professionals , that a normal challange in life makes them reacting, how the very majority on earth. so, nothing against ehasset, - i appreciate his technical authority according creating websites and so on- but i think he represents the majority of the members in the ning-site -( except MJK and some other) according dealing with k - so i propose in a very superficial manner. but he said, nobody is perfect, and i see that as a beginning of insight (perhaps)...

so, now let the past the past...:-)

thats globalization: 20 percent are employed, works for the 80 percent. but Ken, you can have all the work. ok?!

awareness wrote:

pearl wrote:

Interesting walking in here after since last noon finding that people have gone on and on, some people supporting 'banning' some and some not agreeing, the debate.

Seriously, this whole buisiness of banning is utterly silly, childish and sorta pretty cheap.  Is this how people solve stuff??  People are doing this world over, banning, eliminating each other, sabotaging one another and nobody actually really listening to one another!  Such restlesness and in such hurry to do this,  get there, get rid of that.  I mean if you're all going to behave no different than the rest of the world what's the point of your having read Krishnamurti?

Anyways, evidently the ones who're yelling violence the most seem violent themselves, or representing violence.  Violence is always in the thought of it, the thought which is the thinker and then seeing this she/he wants to change it by controlling, adding rules, concepts..and yet humanity doesn't change for these are temporary fixes.

Ain't it really silly and immature, these time outs, bannings?  Makes me laugh. I mean I've never once felt the need to even utter something as foolish as the word, 'time-out', forget imposing it.

I do wish that humanity grows out of this immaturity, childishness and begins to look within and find peaceful ways to communicate than using violence on violence.  Afterall, we're supposed to be evolving, not devolving!

It's such a glorious day, the cool breezes, the early morning quiet and that amazing walk....transporting you to places thought can never enter....

Have a fabulous day all you ladies and guys and do try and take it easy.  Chill, cool, enjoy the moment, let go, begin afresh...and thank you for letting me share my observations, thoughts.

very well written, pearl. i cannot understand, how long the people spend their time with k talks and really many of them are only on that very superficial level, philosophic-amateurs and/or professionals , that a normal challange in life makes them reacting, how the very majority on earth. so, nothing against ehasset, - i appreciate his technical authority according creating websites and so on- but i think he represents the majority of the members in the ning-site -( except MJK and some other) according dealing with k - so i propose in a very superficial manner. but he said, nobody is perfect, and i see that as a beginning of insight (perhaps)...

so, now let the past the past...:-)

Quiet unbelievable, isn't it?  Techincal authority is something but anyone setting themselves up for any kind of inward, spiritual authority is sure setting themselves up for a big down fall!  Superficilaity is rampant in people's lives and most never really go beyond the surface of things.  BTw, I'm really enjoying your recent comments, awareness.   Very perceptive of you.  Some good minds, some spice is needed or the forum gets stale and dull.

(Hey, do come join us for a nice supper now....)

pearl wrote:

awareness wrote:

pearl wrote:

Interesting walking in here after since last noon finding that people have gone on and on, some people supporting 'banning' some and some not agreeing, the debate.

Seriously, this whole buisiness of banning is utterly silly, childish and sorta pretty cheap.  Is this how people solve stuff??  People are doing this world over, banning, eliminating each other, sabotaging one another and nobody actually really listening to one another!  Such restlesness and in such hurry to do this,  get there, get rid of that.  I mean if you're all going to behave no different than the rest of the world what's the point of your having read Krishnamurti?

Anyways, evidently the ones who're yelling violence the most seem violent themselves, or representing violence.  Violence is always in the thought of it, the thought which is the thinker and then seeing this she/he wants to change it by controlling, adding rules, concepts..and yet humanity doesn't change for these are temporary fixes.

Ain't it really silly and immature, these time outs, bannings?  Makes me laugh. I mean I've never once felt the need to even utter something as foolish as the word, 'time-out', forget imposing it.

I do wish that humanity grows out of this immaturity, childishness and begins to look within and find peaceful ways to communicate than using violence on violence.  Afterall, we're supposed to be evolving, not devolving!

It's such a glorious day, the cool breezes, the early morning quiet and that amazing walk....transporting you to places thought can never enter....

Have a fabulous day all you ladies and guys and do try and take it easy.  Chill, cool, enjoy the moment, let go, begin afresh...and thank you for letting me share my observations, thoughts.

very well written, pearl. i cannot understand, how long the people spend their time with k talks and really many of them are only on that very superficial level, philosophic-amateurs and/or professionals , that a normal challange in life makes them reacting, how the very majority on earth. so, nothing against ehasset, - i appreciate his technical authority according creating websites and so on- but i think he represents the majority of the members in the ning-site -( except MJK and some other) according dealing with k - so i propose in a very superficial manner. but he said, nobody is perfect, and i see that as a beginning of insight (perhaps)...

so, now let the past the past...:-)

Quiet unbelievable, isn't it?  Techincal authority is something but anyone setting themselves up for any kind of inward, spiritual authority is sure setting themselves up for a big down fall!  Superficilaity is rampant in people's lives and most never really go beyond the surface of things.  BTw, I'm really enjoying your recent comments, awareness.   Very perceptive of you.  Some good minds, some spice is needed or the forum gets stale and dull.

(Hey, do come join us for a nice supper now....)

thank you very much, for me it would be breakfast;-)

RJ wrote:

I would love to join you both for tea. i promise to take my boots off at the door!

no, problem dottore, you are welcome. thats good with the boots.take5

pearl wrote:

Welcome RJ and awareness, and thanks for taking the boots at the door!  Tea sounds just great. :-)

Awareness can bring the tea, and RJ will bring the "tea".

Sounds kinda cool, a meeting of the minds from around the world that happens without effort.:-)

Hahaha.

I'll have some coconuts airdropped prior to my arrival if that is cool with you guys.

Eden wrote:

I'll have some coconuts airdropped prior to my arrival if that is cool with you guys.

Sounds heavenly!lol!

Unless you have a tin roof.