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And we meet again RJ. Lets see this time how you interact, share, discuss, compose yourself. Lets see if we actually meet.......

RJ wrote:

I think you would prefer me to be silent

If I do not respect you then is it wise to pretend that I do? Is gaining or keeping the approval of others a necessary part of the way?

Consideration is another matter. Which do you prefer, that someone tells you truthfully what they think about you or that they dissemble or outright lie in order to protect your feelings?

I am treating you as I wish to be treated myself. I see that you were earlier today going to some considerable lengths to tell me exactly what you thought of me. I had, and have, no problem with that at all, to be honest it barely registered but that is perhaps besides the point.


Tell me what law I am breaking by speaking freely and I will desist immediately.

I do not prefer you to be silent. Your voice here is welcome.

You do not have to respect me in that kind of way RJ. Although I find that hard to believe that a person on a K Forum, who has read and studied K, cannot respect and honor each human being, for who they are, for their innate humanness, humanity.

This has nothing to do with me personally, what you think, feel about me. I need not your approval or your disdain. All I ask for is some respect and consideration in how you address me, how you talk to me, how you listen to me, etc. All are due this on here.

In my ignorance, I did go to considerable lengths today to tell you what I thought of you. It was wrong and ignorant. However, I have been consistent, in applying the "When in Rome, act like the Romans" saying. I was very considerate and respectful to all in my David Bohm thread, even though you and Eden tried to crash it at the beginning. I stayed on topic and on course with civility and respect towards all.

I am always learning and growing, seeing more and more of myself in action. I repeat that often, but it is the truth. I am only a human being who is interested in K and the teachings, and trying to apply them, live them in my own daily life. Please do the same, if you feel so moved to....

Jayaraj wrote:

RJ wrote:

[why would I do that?!

To find out what violence is.

RJ wrote:

[why do you think I am your friend and keep referring to me in that way? Do you love me? If so, why?

Because you remind me of a certain Sri Lankn who appears to be a friend of the Yogi's mentor who visits the K center here & uses the same crude, insensitive,inappropriate language at the center.I was actually wondering whether you are him using a Zew Zealander's profile details & so on.I didn't realize however that you would mind such a term.

I will call you 'sir' in any future exchanges.

you're a weird guy J and that was a really weird answer.

please don't call me sir, unless you have a fetish for having your ass kicked, in which case go right ahead.

sds wrote:

RJ wrote:

I think you would prefer me to be silent

If I do not respect you then is it wise to pretend that I do? Is gaining or keeping the approval of others a necessary part of the way?

Consideration is another matter. Which do you prefer, that someone tells you truthfully what they think about you or that they dissemble or outright lie in order to protect your feelings?

I am treating you as I wish to be treated myself. I see that you were earlier today going to some considerable lengths to tell me exactly what you thought of me. I had, and have, no problem with that at all, to be honest it barely registered but that is perhaps besides the point.


Tell me what law I am breaking by speaking freely and I will desist immediately.

I do not prefer you to be silent. Your voice here is welcome.

You do not have to respect me in that kind of way RJ. Although I find that hard to believe that a person on a K Forum, who has read and studied K, cannot respect and honor each human being, for who they are, for their innate humanness, humanity.

This has nothing to do with me personally, what you think, feel about me. I need not your approval or your disdain. All I ask for is some respect and consideration in how you address me, how you talk to me, how you listen to me, etc. All are due this on here.

In my ignorance, I did go to considerable lengths today to tell you what I thought of you. It was wrong and ignorant. However, I have been consistent, in applying the "When in Rome, act like the Romans" saying. I was very considerate and respectful to all in my David Bohm thread, even though you and Eden tried to crash it at the beginning. I stayed on topic and on course with civility and respect towards all.

I am always learning and growing, seeing more and more of myself in action. I repeat that often, but it is the truth. I am only a human being who is interested in K and the teachings, and trying to apply them, live them in my own daily life. Please do the same, if you feel so moved to....

jaysus, the hypocrisy!
you don't respect and honour your own mother!

what do you know of love?
you have some twisted concept that is put off into some never-never land of wishful thinking.

Deal with the shit in your own life before you delve into the lives of others.
You have a woman coming to be with you that you are about to do deep and lasting harm to. The dishonesty and deceipt behind what is about to happen is a good, living, here and now, definition of violence.

These words I use to fold back your ears are nothing, the merest breath of wind from a butterfly's wings has more use and importance in the world.

The woman's heart that you are fast set upon breaking, is life itself.

sds wrote:

Since this is the topic of love, let me share what is going on with me at the moment. I have been in a long distance relationship with this woman for over 2 years now. At first I thought I was in love with her, but now I dont feel that way anymore.

About 6 months into the relationship I started saying "I love you" to her, but nowadays I have dropped that phrase and do not feel love for her.

I like her more as a friend now than anything else. I still want to be friends.

She is coming to stay with me starting tomorrow night for a week. She teases me that I will want her to leave, that I cant wait for her to go home already. In a sense she is right. I have really learned from this relationship and enjoyed relationship for awhile, but I actually prefer just being by myself.

Did I ever love her in the first place?

Has my love turned into non love?

What would real love do, how would it handle this situation?

asshat

RJ wrote:

sds wrote:

Since this is the topic of love, let me share what is going on with me at the moment. I have been in a long distance relationship with this woman for over 2 years now. At first I thought I was in love with her, but now I dont feel that way anymore.

About 6 months into the relationship I started saying "I love you" to her, but nowadays I have dropped that phrase and do not feel love for her.

I like her more as a friend now than anything else. I still want to be friends.

She is coming to stay with me starting tomorrow night for a week. She teases me that I will want her to leave, that I cant wait for her to go home already. In a sense she is right. I have really learned from this relationship and enjoyed relationship for awhile, but I actually prefer just being by myself.

Did I ever love her in the first place?

Has my love turned into non love?

What would real love do, how would it handle this situation?

asshat

I think I would have been better off not posting this in this thread. Sorry....

beans wrote:

Hi sds, I wonder sometimes why you post very personal things, but to each their own. It is nice to see what comes across as honesty on occasion.

Wouldn't you say that only the person who performs an action has a chance of fully understanding why they have done it, given that that person is the only one that has access to the feelings, thoughts, and state of being -- and that it would be very difficult for another person to know whether it was right or wrong based solely upon a brief description?

Yes, I wonder why I post such personal stuff too, at times. I later regret it, but at the time it seems like the right thing to do, to share personally, to be really honest.

And yes, I agree wholeheartedly that only the person him or herself can truly know and understand the full implications of their actions. That is why I warned RJ not to judge me too quickly, without knowing the whole story, just bits and pieces of it.

I have been enjoying your interactions on here as of late, especially your interactions with Eden the other night, good stuff.

sds wrote:

pearl wrote:

sds wrote:

I was throwing out a hypothetical. I said you might react in anger, respond in anger if RJ says nasty stuff about you, if he puts you down, etc. That is all I was saying.

Oh, he did once long ago and I laughed hard and it even inspired me to write a poem if I recall, called,"followers", but we have been able to look past it and meet anew, although he rarely responds to my posts.

Awesome Pearl. This is good, really. To be able to laugh hard at oneself and at life, that is what K encouraged too.

I am so glad you are able to look anew at people, especially able to look past the past....
This is where K's teachings are very practical to human relationships.

Yes, but it takes two to move beyond the past, for example I might have moved beyond the past totally living in the now, and if the other has not and meets me form the past then there is bound to be conflict from his/her side.

sds wrote:

RJ wrote:

sds wrote:

I have a few words to sum up RJ, I think they fit him well:

Bombastic, pompous, fustian, pontifical, vainglorious, turgid, inflated, arrogant, egotistic, bloated, boastful, conceited, flatulent, flaunting, grandiloquent, grandiose, high and mighty, high-flown, highfaluting, imperious, important, inflated, magisterial, magniloquent, narcissistic, orotund, ostentatious, overbearing, overblown, portentous, presumptuous, pretentious, puffed up, self-centered, self-important, selfish, showy, sonorous, stuck-up, supercilious, uppity, and vain.

Tell me, does this not cover RJ pretty well?

I think you are falling in love with me.
I can't say I blame you but I can promise you it won't be easy.

Yes, me and Pearl are falling for you. You are hard to resist. You and your charming ways....

Sorry my earlier post where I spoke about this amazing guy that I'm in a relationship with got deleted by accident while editing it, it's a shame.  Anyways, what I said was that I'm not falling for RJ, or anyone and in a most wonderful, loving, caring nurturing relationship with this incredible, amazing guy who treats me with such love and respect and friendhsip, and he lives 10 yards away from me!  It's really cool how we are with each other and every time we meet we discover something totally new about each other.  Have never met anyone quiet like him.

And funny sds that the moment I'm close to a guy every other woman suddenly seems all interested in him but until then they din't give a hoot and totally ignoring him.  But, I tell them, "please, you can have him, he's all your's"  and I am not being sarcastic but totally meaning it and telling it with a BIG smile.  -Laughs- It's cute.

beans wrote:

sds wrote:

beans wrote:

Hi sds, I wonder sometimes why you post very personal things, but to each their own. It is nice to see what comes across as honesty on occasion.

Wouldn't you say that only the person who performs an action has a chance of fully understanding why they have done it, given that that person is the only one that has access to the feelings, thoughts, and state of being -- and that it would be very difficult for another person to know whether it was right or wrong based solely upon a brief description?

Yes, I wonder why I post such personal stuff too, at times. I later regret it, but at the time it seems like the right thing to do, to share personally, to be really honest.

And yes, I agree wholeheartedly that only the person him or herself can truly know and understand the full implications of their actions. That is why I warned RJ not to judge me too quickly, without knowing the whole story, just bits and pieces of it.

I have been enjoying your interactions on here as of late, especially your interactions with Eden the other night, good stuff.

Well, usually it is a ball to be here, sds, and I guess it shows :-)

actually you reek of repressed rage B. The righteous indignation just doesn't release the pressure. Go on, grit your teeth and show me another smile.

does your dentist love you?

sds wrote:

RJ wrote:

sds wrote:

Since this is the topic of love, let me share what is going on with me at the moment. I have been in a long distance relationship with this woman for over 2 years now. At first I thought I was in love with her, but now I dont feel that way anymore.

About 6 months into the relationship I started saying "I love you" to her, but nowadays I have dropped that phrase and do not feel love for her.

I like her more as a friend now than anything else. I still want to be friends.

She is coming to stay with me starting tomorrow night for a week. She teases me that I will want her to leave, that I cant wait for her to go home already. In a sense she is right. I have really learned from this relationship and enjoyed relationship for awhile, but I actually prefer just being by myself.

Did I ever love her in the first place?

Has my love turned into non love?

What would real love do, how would it handle this situation?

asshat

I think I would have been better off not posting this in this thread. Sorry....

who are you apologising to?

you are showing yourself, in parts, as every single person who posts here does the same.
you have more balls than you realise

but you could extricate your head from where it has become lodged, it's not nearly as nice in there as you have cracked yourself up to thinking it is.

For example there is no value to a false humility that says 'yes I am just that despicable' and then carries on exactly as it was. I grew up amongst Catholics, we know all those tricks.

Take the next step, with her, because she is now.
Now. Nothing in any book written by K or anyone else has so much potential for... harm, hate, 

and what were you saying love was again?

Oh my, someone who insists upon free speech requesting others not to be so free with their speech!

Strike whilst the irony is hot!