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#151 2012-05-19 19:59:21
Re: Again, what is moving inside of bruce's head?
bruce wrote:
Ha, ha! But that doesn't mean resistance. Only Tom's saying that sometimes resistance is good or desirable.
But resistance implies a center, and so it implies an ego.
Which doesn't mean agreeing with everybody! It means that when facts are crystal-clear no resistance is needed. It may look like that from the outside, only it's not.
Ok, so you want to continue playing it as if there were someone to get it through to, else there would be no logical reason for a forum such as this, dealing, as it does, with *getting it through to*.
As to that meaning resistance, no, it does not; it only means that this is the direction you thought went and you followed it.
Now, let me re-create that creature you just created. If I do not resist what is given to me, then I will have created no resister, hence, there is no resistance. If I do resist what is given to me, then I will have created a resister, hence, there is a resistance.
If there is no resistance, and that because there is no resister, and that because I am not resisting the given, then everything is indeed crystal clear; like full of light.
Ho!
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#152 2012-05-19 21:11:06
- RJ
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Re: Again, what is moving inside of bruce's head?
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#153 2012-05-19 22:03:32
Re: Again, what is moving inside of bruce's head?
A note from the asylum:
Given a self-reference, that reference may be taken in two incommensurate ways. If those two ways are subsumed by an identity, that identity may then think itself in two incommensurate ways.
The thinker is then tagged as that identity capable of seeing itself in two incommensurate ways.
Let those two ways be held apart, and that identity cannot be made.
How they are held apart depends solely upon the context in which they came apart, and how that separation becomes understood, if ever.
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#154 2012-05-19 22:33:12
Re: Again, what is moving inside of bruce's head?
tomatoes planted on the full moon are yummy for deer...looks like a mother and child by the tracks left. The dirt fills in the tracks and the deers return as yet unnoticed, the sucker takes the reins and heads for the light. Cage me so I can grow!
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#155 2012-05-21 20:55:49
- bruce sean
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Re: Again, what is moving inside of bruce's head?
wilbro99 wrote:
bruce wrote:
Ha, ha! But that doesn't mean resistance. Only Tom's saying that sometimes resistance is good or desirable.
But resistance implies a center, and so it implies an ego.
Which doesn't mean agreeing with everybody! It means that when facts are crystal-clear no resistance is needed. It may look like that from the outside, only it's not.Ok, so you want to continue playing it as if there were someone to get it through to, else there would be no logical reason for a forum such as this, dealing, as it does, with *getting it through to*.
As to that meaning resistance, no, it does not; it only means that this is the direction you thought went and you followed it.
Now, let me re-create that creature you just created. If I do not resist what is given to me, then I will have created no resister, hence, there is no resistance. If I do resist what is given to me, then I will have created a resister, hence, there is a resistance.
If there is no resistance, and that because there is no resister, and that because I am not resisting the given, then everything is indeed crystal clear; like full of light.
Ho!
Following a direction, what is given to you, is the oposite reaction from resisiting it, and so resisting is still there: who is the entity who resists or doesn't resist? The very resister, of course!
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