KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

I think this is one of the most important insights on our journey and the one that brings peace to our problems. Theres nowhere to run.

pearl wrote:

Hi,  it just struck anew and with great clarity talking to one of the members here, that the division between the thinker and the thought is illusory.  The thinker thinking himself to be separate from thought is the cause of all confusion, division.  But the fact, is the division doesn't exist, meaning false, and the thinker IS thought.  How do ya see?  Please feel free to share.  Will talk in leisure.

The K nuts(and the other nuts) here at the forum will go so far as to say that thought is not part of the universe at all.  The ego will make whatever clever divisions it needs to keep duality alive.  Good vs evil, ego vs goodness, the universe vs the non-universe, etc.

Thought must end or it will destroy the universe!!

Eden wrote:

The K nuts(and the other nuts) here at the forum...

Thought must end or it will destroy the universe!!

Right answer; just come in, friend, and welcome

night wrote:

natura wrote:

Eden wrote:

The K nuts(and the other nuts) here at the forum...

Thought must end or it will destroy the universe!!

Right answer; just come in, friend, and welcome

Don't you see, natura, thinking is not separate from the universe.

Yes, you are right, night, in one way.
On the other hand if the thinking is stopped the universe turns out to be entirely different. So we might be speaking about two different universes – a human universe and real one.

But formally you are right. It’s just another saying the thinker is the thought.
If you have had that experience, I’m really glad to know that.

natura wrote:

Yes, you are right, night, in one way.

But formally you are right. It’s just another saying the thinker is the thought.
If you have had that experience, I’m really glad to know that.

So he's right, period.  And you are still full of fragmentation.  Just come in friend, it's paradise here.

who said there is a door?  a table and a daybed yes--a door no.

natura wrote:

Eden wrote:

who said there was a door?

It looks rather as your private property.

Your universe is quite full of imaginations, isn't it. I suggest you stay there for a bit longer. The real one might be a bit too intense.

LMP wrote:

I think this is one of the most important insights on our journey and the one that brings peace to our problems. Theres nowhere to run.

Awesome,LMP, I think you got the gist of what I shared.  And I do see that it's a powerful insight one capable of destroying all illusion, the end of all problems.  But the thinker maintains he is seperate from thought, or rather it's his conditioning itself, until he sees the illusion clearly thereby breaking free.

Eden wrote:

pearl wrote:

Hi,  it just struck anew and with great clarity talking to one of the members here, that the division between the thinker and the thought is illusory.  The thinker thinking himself to be separate from thought is the cause of all confusion, division.  But the fact, is the division doesn't exist, meaning false, and the thinker IS thought.  How do ya see?  Please feel free to share.  Will talk in leisure.

The K nuts(and the other nuts) here at the forum will go so far as to say that thought is not part of the universe at all.  The ego will make whatever clever divisions it needs to keep duality alive.  Good vs evil, ego vs goodness, the universe vs the non-universe, etc.

Thought must end or it will destroy the universe!!

Ridiculous isn't it?  They maintain they are separate from their thoughts and experiences and even insist upon it, so as to let their sleves which are full of fragmentation survive.  Evidently most K nuts do not get the gist of their masters insight and fight with it like a squirrely fighting with a nut not knowing how to crack it open.

Eden wrote:

who said there is a door?  a table and a daybed yes--a door no.

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That's cool, Eden.  It's a beautiful day here too, and not much to do than hang out with Sach, prepare some good lunch when he gets back home for lunch, and then going to see the art exposition at his school later.  A chilled out day totally and I am totally rested, relaxed, enjoying the peace of this beautiful day. Aloha!

Eden, most K nuts talk endlessly about fragmentation, completely unaware that they're it.  as though the fragmentation they talk about is somehow seperate from them.  But if they had the deligence and clear sightedness to see that they are it, then a transformation might be possible, but thus far they seem to be content with the ideals of what should be and avoiding what they actually are!  The deception is evident to all except to them.

Teulada wrote:

pearl wrote:

Hi,  it just struck anew and with great clarity talking to one of the members here, that the division between the thinker and the thought is illusory.  The thinker thinking himself to be separate from thought is the cause of all confusion, division.  But the fact, is the division doesn't exist, meaning false, and the thinker IS thought.  How do ya see?  Please feel free to share.  Will talk in leisure.

Hi Pearl, i am not clear as to what you exactly mean here. do you mean that you had merely understood this on an intellectual (verbal) level before and you now actually 'see' this?

Well, it's what you do evidently and in the way you addressed your comment intellectually, superficially which is more bickering than genuine interest to inquiry.  For if you read my post not merely intellectually you'd see I said anew.  It was clearly seen in the comment of a poster how the distance was being maintained, the thinker apart form thought, but obviously he seemed totally oblivious to it. Everything can be seen anew as if for the first time only, although it was evident to this writer since long (although it's not a matter of time here as you seem to suggest, how long, how new, or old) which is what I've been conveying in many posts, but you like most do not show a deep understanding as you seem content with intellectual surfing, content to talk about Bhom, or listen to this one talk or another, but all really superficial.  I've yet to see you share any deep understanding and or insight into your own mind and heart and life.  What's stopping you to delve deep?  Why content to be a second hand person?  Try coming out of your little shell and show some sense, some grace and if possible some maturity into this matter.

Last edited by pearl (2012-05-16 10:00:56)