KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

Why don't you put down your sages for a second and look and you wont have to question it.

beans wrote:

A sage questioned whether one who is suffering is experiencing suffering, or suffering their experiencing.

would they not both be active?

beans wrote:

A sage questioned whether one who is suffering is experiencing suffering, or suffering their experiencing.

How about suffering is the very escape from suffering?

Last edited by bruce sean (2012-05-14 01:25:20)

Eden wrote:

beans wrote:

Why don't you consider that I've already looked and use these words because they work well?.

then why not just use them straight up instead of pussyfooting around.

I like that particular string of words, so why not?

wilbro99 wrote:

I think joe has pointed the way here; those two represent two different ways of experiencing self. When those two are mapped in the understanding, and how the movement back and forth between the two is itself through two absolutely different gates, then an understanding of how reflection operates is in your hip pocket.

Get it, your hip pocket?

I mean, that's hip!

Hi beanzy...

Hi willy.

Well, I almost titled the thread "attitude". The spirit of the person seems an important factor in the process of change. And yet, this is just more form because it is determined by chemical reactions etc.

Hey Babs, great to see you in all your fierceness.

"Suffering implies something other than what is happening..."
Yes, it implies a wrong interpretation of what is happening based on a certain false belief. And still, the suffering itself is the fact of a painful way of being.

it gets problematic because MR brain might think, then if I experience my suffering then I wont be escaping and as such it might go away. I am not saying this is wrong, because we have been taught to take responsibility, or even control over what we do with our files, our feelings etc.  I myself went the UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER APPROACH. I dont know how many times it took for me to see that doing that didn't change a godam thing, but in the end I got it. I have no real control. I dont even know what thought or event might erupt next, and there is a kind of peace knowing that, or seeing it enough times to see the futility in resisting.
In the end the resistance occurred very much in the gut. It was like the worst gut ache which went on for months. What I see now what it was about, for me at least, was, a part of me was still hanging on, clenching. Eventually I let myself sink.

Last edited by Babs (2012-05-14 05:56:03)

know thyself and get some space

yes, do.

beans wrote:

Yeah, Babs. It's so rare that the attitude and the circumstances - all the factors - add up in the right way so that change happens. It seems like everyone I know who has that particular firm understanding has had a time of physical space from craziness of other people.

lol - now that's irony!!!!!

(but it's still true...)

Last edited by beans (2012-05-14 07:44:44)

Lets look at this together . Lets eliminate chemical let downs not caused by prejudiced thought causing rudeness . . Lets look at the judgmental vindictive  state some  talk to others from here with their bipolar insensitive inner dualistic natures ?   They are experiencing negativity, and they often express it not even knowing its the core of themselves in the moments they do ? So instead of learning about that abusive arrogance and violence or callous insensitive  state? They go places or come here to abuse others or escape from themselves into conflicts ? They may rationalize it as if they believe they are helping, and being brutally callous, insensitive and frank is from a diamond of a being, full of compassion, care and Love?

But is it ? It seems more like a terrorist attack, on unsuspecting others, coming here to share and learn in a new way with some of you about  life ?  Why? Why are they doing that here ? Why are we if we are or accepting this for here  ? The thinker is the thought no matter how hateful it comes out of us?  So Without accusing why do some here think that really is Inquiry,  and why are others getting so comfortable with it? Is your sexual drive  leading you around if your a man accepting that in an abusive, aggressive  woman, but not other  men?  Is your sexual drive  leading you around  if your a woman accepting the alpha males arrogant ambition, and violent competitive behavior, if your a woman ? Your not all seemingly  habituated to this drama here  but what are you learning about life, about ourselves  that  might, or could be  be a little different here, than anywhere else ?   :-)

Last edited by everyone (2012-05-14 14:15:59)

Pearl I think a few of you not liking me, prejudiced in eyes, ears, and thought,  as a fellow explorer, or inquirer, is a sign of your own unawareness of yourselves,  not mine. The woman that says she knows solutions to life's problems, and is hateful and spiteful, nor the man agreeing with anyone's hatred, and bigotry  does not know much about life either .    :-)

Last edited by everyone (2012-05-14 14:41:58)

everyone wrote:

Pearl I think a few of you not liking me, prejudiced in eyes, ears, and thought,  as a fellow explorer, or inquirer, is a sign of your own unawareness of yourselves,  not mine .:-)

Just look at all the bs you spout, the prejudice, the arrogance, the sheer stupidity in every post of your's!  I mean who the heck you think you are?  some sorta saviour of the innocent victims?  That's why I said, just go die!