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bruce sean · 2012-05-08 19:10:20

CB, any more ideas?

joe · 2012-05-08 19:19:48

thanks for the walk bruce...you will see what you will see. You definitely do NOT know what I mean yet but fine. King toppled over....

bruce sean · 2012-05-08 19:26:42

You do have a tendency to resign too quickly, like you don't want to play positions where you have to defend your position, as opposed to those where insight can make a huge difference, and maintain the initiative. Just joking around...

But what was said stands: you cannot really have a conversation all the way, because along the way somehow you remain stuck in the lab of oneself-watching oneself, watching a bird, watching another-me doing that, me and the lab of myself, so that I can be a better me!

No wonder there is no room to talk about compassion, or something much deeper than that, since all that would be in the lab of oneself as well, it would be the workings of thought, not something beyond it, so all there is is this blooded lab-but I have a different word for it: I'd call it 'prison'!

bruce sean · 2012-05-08 19:27:48

So the lab of oneself=the prison of onself!!! Check mate.

joe · 2012-05-08 21:03:33

that's right bruce, you win...congratulations on reaching your goal...

RJ · 2012-05-08 21:04:50

you know you could take a well deserved break after the 10K posts and go join a chess club to hang out with other guys who aren't getting any and are similarly trying to feel better by putting themselves up and others down.

you are a sad man BS, first trying to get followers, then trying to beat them, you don't know what you want and so think you don't want anything!

a beginner who believes he is at the end.

how our minds are capable of such deceits!!

pearl · 2012-05-08 21:26:41

Brucey treats life as a chess game and he also uses the chess tactis in his inquiry here if you observe. Obviously his immature mind can never see beyond the chess board and there are others like him, the eden's, the tom's, the tree's all spoilt little arrogant brats, confused and totally psuedo who have no clue as to the sharings of Krishnamurti...no passion, no true creativity, nor insight. Totally dull, lethargic minds of the world with no living vitality, beauty, clarity.

Eden · 2012-05-08 21:31:08

pearl wrote:
Brucey treats life as a chess game and he also uses the chess tactis in his inquiry here if you observe. Obviously his immature mind can never see beyond the chess board and there are others like him, the eden's, the tom's, the tree's all spoilt little arrogant brats, confused and totally psuedo who have no clue as to the sharings of Krishnamurti...no passion, no true creativity, nor insight. Totally dull, lethargic minds of the world with no living vitality, beauty, clarity.

Nice analysis, more distance between the observer and observed, more distance between the spectator(you) and the spectated. Keep up the good work ;-)

Eden · 2012-05-08 21:32:20

Tell me pearl, what do you call a mind that believes there is a vast difference between the spectator and the spectated? I'm sure you have a label for that, yes?

pearl · 2012-05-08 21:38:10

Immature and underdeveloped brains like you, brucey, tom, trees completely do not get the gist of what Krishnmurti was pointing to when he was speaking of the thinker and thought as being one. You do not even have the kinder garten understanding of K's sharings. and there is no choice but to point out the sheer stupidity, nonsense, stupid minds like you, brucey, tom propogate. If you don't want to be questioned then sit at home and watch tv, or play chess.

Eden · 2012-05-08 21:43:33

The spectator has no choice but to point out the stupidity of the spectated? I see.

Eden · 2012-05-08 21:46:24

I guess you have no choice as to what you spectate. Might as well turn on the TV too. There are plenty of stupid minds there too yes?

pearl · 2012-05-08 22:09:45

This is a forum, and certainly the nonsense, silly, immature, shallow jibberish minds like you, tom, brucey spout as though having some great deep understanding into your minds is nothing but a facade since you do not even show a logical, rational understanding into anything Krishnamurti proposed.

Eden · 2012-05-08 22:50:48

Yet, you enjoy spectating and interacting with immature shallow and jibberish minds. You have no choice?

RJ · 2012-05-09 01:07:49

pearl wrote:
Brucey treats life as a chess game and he also uses the chess tactis in his inquiry here if you observe. Obviously his immature mind can never see beyond the chess board and there are others like him, the eden's, the tom's, the tree's all spoilt little arrogant brats, confused and totally psuedo who have no clue as to the sharings of Krishnamurti...no passion, no true creativity, nor insight. Totally dull, lethargic minds of the world with no living vitality, beauty, clarity.

ok now hold on a minute, that's a bit harsh!

Bruce; occasionally entertainingly psychotic,
Eden; a dick, flapping in the Pacific breeze, he thought you were into him, got jilted and now acts like a spurned teenager who misses no opportunity to engage you in any kind of discussion, no matter how futile, petty or repetitive, in the mistaken belief that some connection with his erstwhile number one fan is better than none.

Tom; an intellectual sort of a fellow but as frustrating as it may be to have an actual conversation with him he is quite authentic in the sense that he sees the powerlessness of his own mind to resolve itself and genuinely wishes there was some sort of philosophical unravelling that could be achieved despite said powerlessness. He needs a religious experience, or a crisis, but he's probably too old for the first and too careful for the second. Have mercy, he's not as bad as you think.

But Tree? What's the beef with Tree? He loves women, stars, cosmology, trees, jazz and you. What's not to like?

CB · 2012-05-09 01:12:25

Hmm.. Bruce so far as I'm seeing it White gets 3 pawns for the bishop with 11. Bxb5. After 11.Bxb5 Pxb5; 12. Nd4xb5, then white has triple attack on d6 pawn. Not seeing how black can defend it. Move is also good because it screws up blacks pawn attack idea.... Just trying to think about logic behind black's last move...I think he begining standard pawn attack on white's queenside... next black move would be b4 threatening the knight, followed by a5. So white's next move has to in some way prevent that movement right? You're saying that whites best move is a quiet one that doesn't involve any captures?..

Difficult for me to do analysis because I don't have actual board. Know of any websites where you can set up and then try playing out positions?

pearl · 2012-05-09 08:29:11

RJ wrote:
pearl wrote:
Brucey treats life as a chess game and he also uses the chess tactis in his inquiry here if you observe. Obviously his immature mind can never see beyond the chess board and there are others like him, the eden's, the tom's, the tree's all spoilt little arrogant brats, confused and totally psuedo who have no clue as to the sharings of Krishnamurti...no passion, no true creativity, nor insight. Totally dull, lethargic minds of the world with no living vitality, beauty, clarity.
pearl wrote:
Brucey treats life as a chess game and he also uses the chess tactis in his inquiry here if you observe. Obviously his immature mind can never see beyond the chess board and there are others like him, the eden's, the tom's, the tree's all spoilt little arrogant brats, confused and totally psuedo who have no clue as to the sharings of Krishnamurti...no passion, no true creativity, nor insight. Totally dull, lethargic minds of the world with no living vitality, beauty, clarity.
ok now hold on a minute, that's a bit harsh!

Bruce; occasionally entertainingly psychotic,
Eden; a dick, flapping in the Pacific breeze, he thought you were into him, got jilted and now acts like a spurned teenager who misses no opportunity to engage you in any kind of discussion, no matter how futile, petty or repetitive, in the mistaken belief that some connection with his erstwhile number one fan is better than none.

Tom; an intellectual sort of a fellow but as frustrating as it may be to have an actual conversation with him he is quite authentic in the sense that he sees the powerlessness of his own mind to resolve itself and genuinely wishes there was some sort of philosophical unravelling that could be achieved despite said powerlessness. He needs a religious experience, or a crisis, but he's probably too old for the first and too careful for the second. Have mercy, he's not as bad as you think.

But Tree? What's the beef with Tree? He loves women, stars, cosmology, trees, jazz and you. What's not to like?

RJ, being a poet that you are, you do have the knack of somewhat romanitcising the fact of mediocrity, but it changes not the fact of mediocrity which is that of the selves. All the same, the trees, the tom's, bruce's eden's...I see no difference although they might have different charecteristics...but totally fake all the same. I don't think they're bad just plain stupid, without any real insight into their own workings of the mind.

bruce sean · 2012-05-09 20:18:01

joe wrote:
that's right bruce, you win...congratulations on reaching your goal...

That goal was only chesswise, as I said before. There are two different compartiments in the brain, let's not mix them up-chess is chess and life is life, in the sense that when playing chess winning is the goal, whereas life has no goal.

In fact, the actual game of chess is in itself quite silly, like any game for that matter, so I don't confuse chess with life.

But horsing around here, the mate came after you resigned already...At least it was inevitable! Still joking.

bruce sean · 2012-05-09 20:32:15

RJ wrote:
you know you could take a well deserved break after the 10K posts and go join a chess club to hang out with other guys who aren't getting any and are similarly trying to feel better by putting themselves up and others down.

you are a sad man BS, first trying to get followers, then trying to beat them, you don't know what you want and so think you don't want anything!

a beginner who believes he is at the end.

how our minds are capable of such deceits!!

Just barking RJ, but at least chess logic is missing-anybody can brag they were once good but logic is missing. Which is why you can't find the logic of the next move. It's easy to see you were not going to become better than beating others around the level you achieved, because chess requires patience. Begginers don't have it, and so they move very quickly, whatever move they like, bam, their hand is moving already. Then they discover that their opponent can do something to them they're not able to defend against, and so start asking themselves: what can I do if he does that? Nothing, it's too late, they should've considered it carefully before they've made their last move.

And so you're too quick to be aggressive, and offense is not always the best defense. In fact this is the reason you did not become any better in chess. Moreover, lacking logic, real logic to understand and penetrate the deepest secrets of an opening say, playing is meaningless. It is like joe playing and learning from others how they win-only that should be done BEFORE he plays, not during. To play while not being prepared is meaningless.

Not that playing chess is important, mind you.

As for a beginner, as usual you've blundered again, being shortsighted that is: that's life-ok, this is important, so I'll say it again: that's life, IT HAS NO END, ONLY A PERPETUAL BEGINNING.

bruce sean · 2012-05-09 20:56:20

CB wrote:
Hmm.. Bruce so far as I'm seeing it White gets 3 pawns for the bishop with 11. Bxb5. After 11.Bxb5 Pxb5; 12. Nd4xb5, then white has triple attack on d6 pawn. Not seeing how black can defend it. Move is also good because it screws up blacks pawn attack idea.... Just trying to think about logic behind black's last move...I think he begining standard pawn attack on white's queenside... next black move would be b4 threatening the knight, followed by a5. So white's next move has to in some way prevent that movement right? You're saying that whites best move is a quiet one that doesn't involve any captures?..

Difficult for me to do analysis because I don't have actual board. Know of any websites where you can set up and then try playing out positions?

Wow! You're imagining the set-up?! I mean, everything I said is from my head, too, but I do this all the time, so it's rather easy for me.
Maybe you can download some program for free-not maybe, for sure-but I wouldn't know where because mine are from store. It can't be that hard since some folks have downloaded them in their phone.
I have a small magnetic board, which is also a computer, because shuffling pieces around is sometimes better than just clicking buttons.

Now, I'm afraid you're going back to the other set-up, that of the Najdorf Sicilian, Classical Line, Main Variation, with the black Knight on d7, and the white Queen of f3. There I said it already: the sacrifice is good, and the pawn on d6 will also fall, as you noticed, so it's three pawns for a Bishop and a hopeless position for Black.
But the proposed set-up was that of the Classical Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, with a Subline Bd7, instead of Be7, which is the Main Line in that particular set-up: that is, a6, h6, and Bd7. The other two are a6 and Bd7, but no h6, or the simplest of them all-Be7, O-O, O-O-O.
Int his set-up, the black Knight is on c6, and the white Queen is on d2. The rest of the pieces are similarly placed.

So yes, obviously, b5 threatens b4, attacking the Knight on c3. Now where will the Knight go, in case that happens? What are the implications of 10...b5? Which means what are the implications of moving the Knight, and where?

RJ · 2012-05-09 22:51:47

groan...
get a room!
take it someplace else!!

if I wanted to watch men masturbate I am sure some other place on the internet would provide for my need.

bruce sean · 2012-05-09 23:07:18

Sex apparently is a big issue for you. Let me just say that the issue is entirely psychological, fabricated.

I don't know what some people think sex is a big issue, I really don't know. It doesn't solve one's problems, no matter how great one's sex is.

CB · 2012-05-09 23:25:09

No, no, not imagining setup! Couldn't do that! I've been using ajaxchess.com where I can play out 2 person game, but can't do any takeback so its difficult to play out different possibilities. Today I got myself cheep plastic set.

Still not sure we're talking about the same setup here..I get lost with all of that Sicillan Classic Richter-Rouser mumbo jumbo - like Capablanca I stubbornly refuse to study the openings! (not that I'm anything like Capablanca). The one that I have set-up here black stands to lose 3 pawns for the bishop...

..Wait, now I think I see. In this set-up after 11. Bxb5, Pxb5; 12. Nc4xb5, then black follows with 12. Nb4 - which becomes problem for white because both a2 pawn and b5 knight are threatened. White would have to defend with 13. Na3, and so he wouldn't end up getting the d6 pawn.

So never mind. Yes, so b4 would be problem for whites c3 knight. Knight would have to move either to b1 (which kind of sucks and loses him e4 pawn) or to e2 (which loses him the e4 pawn also), or to a4 (which loses him the knight to black's d7 bishop after a knight exchange.)

So white has to either prevent b4 from happening, or defend the e4 pawn. White can't stop b4 except perhaps with with 11. a3, which after b4 will tear up whites defenses 11. Bd3 comes to mind here, defends e4 and allows Ne2 without blocking in the bishop, but doesn't stop black's pawn advancement.

Yeah, I'm thinking my move here would still be 11. Bd3 though. Is that right? Saves white for the moment but doesn't do much to advance him in the situation...

RJ · 2012-05-10 00:26:38

bruce sean wrote:
Sex apparently is a big issue for you. Let me just say that the issue is entirely psychological, fabricated.

I don't know what some people think sex is a big issue, I really don't know. It doesn't solve one's problems, no matter how great one's sex is.

Fortunately for you, sex was a big issue for your parents too
unfortunately for us, you haven't grown up enough to know that people don't have sex to solve problems (ya big eejit). You so well know the force of your own head (having had it inserted in one's ass for such a long time it is hard to know anything else) but you know nothing about life, nothing of interest, nothing of use, nothing to share.

LIFE!
how much more marvellously interesting than your endlessly regurgitated 10,000 post content. A spiritual adolescent's endless jerking off of his perceived 'special essence' into the internet.
LIFE, including its procreative drive, including it's extraordinary genius of forcing two separate entities to combine in order to make furtherance of that same life possible after its parents inevitable demise, and so the possibilities for evolution...

oh sorry I forgot, you want to play chess and talk about your consciousness, no problems to deal with there either eh? Asshat.

RJ · 2012-05-10 00:30:01

CB wrote:
No, no, not imagining setup! Couldn't do that! I've been using ajaxchess.com where I can play out 2 person game, but can't do any takeback so its difficult to play out different possibilities. Today I got myself cheep plastic set.

Still not sure we're talking about the same setup here..I get lost with all of that Sicillan Classic Richter-Rouser mumbo jumbo - like Capablanca I stubbornly refuse to study the openings! (not that I'm anything like Capablanca). The one that I have set-up here black stands to lose 3 pawns for the bishop...

..Wait, now I think I see. In this set-up after 11. Bxb5, Pxb5; 12. Nc4xb5, then black follows with 12. Nb4 - which becomes problem for white because both a2 pawn and b5 knight are threatened. White would have to defend with 13. Na3, and so he wouldn't end up getting the d6 pawn.

So never mind. Yes, so b4 would be problem for whites c3 knight. Knight would have to move either to b1 (which kind of sucks and loses him e4 pawn) or to e2 (which loses him the e4 pawn also), or to a4 (which loses him the knight to black's d7 bishop after a knight exchange.)

So white has to either prevent b4 from happening, or defend the e4 pawn. White can't stop b4 except perhaps with with 11. a3, which after b4 will tear up whites defenses 11. Bd3 comes to mind here, defends e4 and allows Ne2 without blocking in the bishop, but doesn't stop black's pawn advancement.

Yeah, I'm thinking my move here would still be 11. Bd3 though. Is that right? Saves white for the moment but doesn't do much to advance him in the situation...

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