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LMP wrote:

Yes I play chess, but only for fun, never tried to learn it at a deeper level.

Here's a puzzle for ya, LMP, see how quickly you can spot a good tactic to do something positive in this position: it could be anything, mate or winning something which, with good technique, will win the game, so stay open to any possibility.

  And sds is welcome to try this one, too.


  White pieces are located as follows: pawns: a2, g2 and h2; a Bishop on e4; 2 Rooks, one on d1 and the other on f1; the Queen on c2, and the King on h1.

  Black pieces are located as follows: pawns-b5, c5,f4,g4, and h6; 2 Bishops, one on c8 and another on d4; one Rook on b8, the Queen on f8, and the King on h8.

  Good Luck!

  Edit: Ooops! White to move.

Last edited by bruce sean (2012-05-07 18:40:09)

That is a common sacrifice in some Sicilians, such as in Svesnikov, or some lines of Najdorf Sicilian, such as the Main Line, when, after 7.f4 Be7; 8.Qf3 Qc7; 19.0-0-0 Nbd7; 10.g4 b5. And now White wants to continue its pawns'march, but its own Bishop is blocking the path. One normally wouldn't give up the Bishop pair, but this is for the moment a bad Bishop, the pawn of f4 blocking its return, and so it's not a problem capturing on f6, to make room for the g pawn. So now we have 11.Bxf6 and gxf6 is gxf6, doubling the pawns, and so not the best option, especially since it's not forced.
  11...Nxf6 is the best recapture, after which now 12. g5 forces it to go back to d7, which is fine because it wanted to reposition itself anyway, either on e5, attacking the Queen on f3, or on c5. And after that, White advances the other pawn, the f pawn, to f5-13.f5, offering the g pawn, which was previously defended by this very pawn, on f4, but which now has moved to f5, creating a threating duo with the g pawn.
  And here, Black has to answer the question as to whether to accept the sacrifice with check, as in 13...Bxg5+, followed by 14...Ne5 attacking the Queen, or to to decline it, with 13...Nc5, after which the f pawn can now continue its march to f6-14.f6 gxf6; 15.gxf6 Bf8; 16. Rg1, and now Black has 4 answers b4 plus Bd7, Bb7 plus b4, Bd7 plus 0-0-0, or the best option so far, h5 followed by B4 and Nd7.

  But going back to that recapture on f6, Black can also take with the Bishop: 11...Bxf6, which weakens the d6 square, now protected only by the Queen. Which is why 12. Bxb5 is possible, White giving up a piece for 3 pawns, all of them passed.

  As for that position, it would be only a piece for 2 pawns, and not good enough for White to try that.

  Look into what is Black trying to do, into the logisitics of his last move.

bruce sean wrote:

Winning is the object of most games, but there's no need to identify with some wooden pieces! I mean, why not winning, without being afraid to lose?!

Yes of course I tried to win and often did but the point I was making (that you evidently missed) had to do with not being afraid to lose and challenging those with higher ratings.  Gotta have board vision here bruce, to catch the wind of my sails.  You so often misinterpret my meaning I see that part of your game as severely lacking, just saying.

joe wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Winning is the object of most games, but there's no need to identify with some wooden pieces! I mean, why not winning, without being afraid to lose?!

Yes of course I tried to win and often did but the point I was making (that you evidently missed) had to do with not being afraid to lose and challenging those with higher ratings.  Gotta have board vision here bruce, to catch the wind of my sails.  You so often misinterpret my meaning I see that part of your game as severely lacking, just saying.

No, not at all, you're wrong on this one: I'm not deaf, I understood that part of playing stronger players, which is always a good idea, which does imply a lack of fear to lose.

  But you also mentioned winning as being pointless, and it is that part of your comment that I addressed.

Winning IS the goal in chess: what's wrong with it? You play with stronger players, and are not afraid of losing-are you ready?-in order to win after you learned what you will from those losses.

No matter how we dress it, winning IS the only goal in chess.

sds wrote:

RJ wrote:

dude, you so badly need to get laid it actually hurts.

Me too, I am in the same boat. I need that too....

Want to help me RJ in that.... I am open to both ways you know lol.....

if you detest yourself both sexually and spiritually how can you not fawn on the attention or advice of others that conveys a promise that you can be somone else?

bruce sean wrote:

No matter how we dress it, winning IS the only goal in chess.

You just said you want to win, ultimately, which only confirms what I said. I'm afraid you're not aware of what you are doing when you play the game. If you were you would see exactly what I'm saying: it's the only goal, because whatever reason you play for, you do get better, make progress and all that, and so next time you make better moves, and better moves-in order to check mate the opposite King. This is the purpose of the game, and every move is a step towards that.
  What are you trying to accomplish with every move you make? I bet very few people know exactly why they're moving their pieces on the board! But it is very important to have clarity, and know precisesly what to look for BEFORE you make each move.

  As for seeing the whole board, are you for real?! It means board vision-which is just one aspect of the game-by itself it means nothing, sorry to break it to you. At the moment you're making immature comments about maturity, implying just like RJ others are immature while you are mature. It doesn't affect me, though.

  Bottom line, all you can talk about here is the lab of onself, that is your agenda, that is your shtick, and so the limit of a discussion you can engage in. And I'm trying to go beyond that, by dismissing it-I say it means NOTHING, ultimately. There is much, much more.

So much for meeting a challenge, including from the so-called professionals. Better to just say what you always do-repeat-repeat-repeat. Old-old-old.

bruce sean wrote:

You just said you want to win, ultimately, which only confirms what I said. I'm afraid you're not aware of what you are doing when you play the game. If you were you would see exactly what I'm saying: it's the only goal, because whatever reason you play for, you do get better, make progress and all that, and so next time you make better moves, and better moves-in order to check mate the opposite King. This is the purpose of the game, and every move is a step towards that.
  What are you trying to accomplish with every move you make? I bet very few people know exactly why they're moving their pieces on the board! But it is very important to have clarity, and know precisesly what to look for BEFORE you make each move.

  As for seeing the whole board, are you for real?! It means board vision-which is just one aspect of the game-by itself it means nothing, sorry to break it to you. At the moment you're making immature comments about maturity, implying just like RJ others are immature while you are mature. It doesn't affect me, though.

  Bottom line, all you can talk about here is the lab of onself, that is your agenda, that is your shtick, and so the limit of a discussion you can engage in. And I'm trying to go beyond that, by dismissing it-I say it means NOTHING, ultimately. There is much, much more.

yes, like winning a chess game, lol....no bruce, you are still just not getting what I am saying, you are only convincing yourself that you are.

Nothing can affect me.

  I was pointing out something which you dismissed yesterday, about RJ, and today it may apply to you as well. Namely, that when one calls another immature he has an image of himself as being mature-AT THAT VERY MOMENT. A moment later, he may recognize that he may be immature as well, but AT THAT VERY MOMENT when he's making a statement about another being immature he is considering himself to be mature, in other words at that very moment he's not paying attention, so to speak, or rather attention is missing.

  So there, you missed the point. Inattention at that moment.

  Next, I am pointing out to you that you have an agenda, you have come to a certain understanding from which you respond to anything-to me that is intellectual, because truth must be discovered each time, anew, which is a point you didn't addressed. It is not possible for a man with an agenda to talk to others, except up to a point.

  And finally, it is perhaps this lab of oneself which prevents the discovery of something much, much bigger, in quotes. You see, HAPPINESS CANNOT BE FOUND IN THE LAB OF ONESELF. Never. Don't reply right away.

  Now about chess. I said winning is the only goal IN CHESS, I specifically said that, don't mix up anything else, like attention to a bird out the window: I was talking about making a move-that move wants to set up the ground so that eventually the opposite king is check- mated, or at least create threats which will force an opponent to offer a draw, which then may or may not be accepted, depending on whether a win is already secured or not, as in a tournament.

  So when you make a move, using your board vision which you cherish so much but which is just one aspect, or about 33% of the whole picture, you want to set up a mating net, eventually.

  And you still didn't answer the question about the goal when you make a move: not ultimately, which is clear enough, and that is the only thing I was commenting on, but specifically, what is the goal you are trying to accomplish, consciously or not, when each move is being made?

  And I'm asking anyone this question, including those who think they're good.

joe wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

You just said you want to win, ultimately, which only confirms what I said. I'm afraid you're not aware of what you are doing when you play the game. If you were you would see exactly what I'm saying: it's the only goal, because whatever reason you play for, you do get better, make progress and all that, and so next time you make better moves, and better moves-in order to check mate the opposite King. This is the purpose of the game, and every move is a step towards that.
  What are you trying to accomplish with every move you make? I bet very few people know exactly why they're moving their pieces on the board! But it is very important to have clarity, and know precisesly what to look for BEFORE you make each move.

  As for seeing the whole board, are you for real?! It means board vision-which is just one aspect of the game-by itself it means nothing, sorry to break it to you. At the moment you're making immature comments about maturity, implying just like RJ others are immature while you are mature. It doesn't affect me, though.

  Bottom line, all you can talk about here is the lab of onself, that is your agenda, that is your shtick, and so the limit of a discussion you can engage in. And I'm trying to go beyond that, by dismissing it-I say it means NOTHING, ultimately. There is much, much more.

yes, like winning a chess game, lol....no bruce, you are still just not getting what I am saying, you are only convincing yourself that you are.

You keep missing it, so I will repeat it, patiently: happiness is not in the lab of oneself; compassion is not in the lab of oneself.

  IN THE LAB OF ONESELF THERE IS ONLY MISERY.