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#101 2012-04-30 02:39:34
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Ok, now that the page is full, let's begin again!
The following bit of nonsense is dedicated to Eden:
Eden, I dedicate this bit of nonsense to you: make of it what you will.
willy wrote:
There is a movement that can be made that when made opens the door to irony. Only those who can make that movement can see the irony in not making it.
The difference between making it and not making it is obvious only to those who can make it, for not making it exposes the irony.
[edit added that which is included in these brackets]
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#102 2012-04-30 05:52:02
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joe wrote:
Lol...ok roots, as you wish...a convenient use of metaphor and then denying it when it exposes the facts of the matter, . . .
Not really sure what you mean by this but nevermind.
. . . but clearly you know where you are...
After I posted the statement to this effect - reflecting - I decided it's bullshit on my part. Just for the record.
And just for clarity sake roots, it is also Si that has ended engaging on the topic, taking one of the stances (silence) of your three magic I stances himself. No doubt you will have a reason that exonerates him for this too though, so go ahead. Would you like a lollipop, roots?
A lolli would be marvelous . . . thank you.
The exoneration is very simple, the conversation, blocked as it was by the dreaded 'I' on your part, couldn't get anywhere and he can easily see that (even I could see it). But please don't take this personally if you can help it Joe because I've got the same problem myself; we all - such as haven't made the break-through - have the same problem.
Babu made a very pertinent statement regarding - many moons ago - when he said simply, "be honest about not knowing what to do." And what did he do when he openly faced that fact within himself? He did what experience has always shown me is the best course of action when you don't know what to do, viz., nothing. Or in Babu's words, " . . . and don't do a damn thing; and it starts."
Evidently it 'started' for him there, and it has long been obvious to me that he ran with it, and for as long as it took. But you will disagree with me on that and think the statement out of order or some such. Why this should be the general stance on the forum is a permanent source of bewilderment to me: the thing is do-able, attainable; if it were not then what in god's name are we all on about here? And surely if any 'achievers' are to be found anywhere, a most likely place will be one of the primary K sites for the English speaking world! To my mind it's just sad that I can only see two, and one of those seems to have slipped the circuit. Hey, ho!
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#103 2012-04-30 07:49:35
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Eden wrote:
tree wrote:
joe wrote:
How do we understand presence, and how do we understand absence?
for these understanding is not needed
tree is right joe....even a 3 year old can feel the difference. can't you? what is there to "understand"?
it was an abstract taken concretely...can you see that?
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#104 2012-04-30 07:51:36
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and roots, just for the record, you are still only guessing, both about babu and Si. Recognize that what you thought (seeing clearly, knowing where you are) is still bullshit. Alas, though, this has run its course for now it seems...until next time, sir roots, be well.
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#105 2012-04-30 08:35:57
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joe wrote:
Eden wrote:
tree wrote:
for these understanding is not neededtree is right joe....even a 3 year old can feel the difference. can't you? what is there to "understand"?
it was an abstract taken concretely...can you see that?
cop out
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#107 2012-04-30 09:10:33
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many feel the presence of something imaginary
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#108 2012-04-30 09:15:05
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joe wrote:
that seems to be a default line for you tree...
intellectual dishonesty and obsfucation seem to be the default settings for you and wilbro99,
you talk just to be talking, as is obvious from your most recent contributions to confusion
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#109 2012-04-30 09:17:15
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joe wrote:
how do you understand what you understand?
stand under it
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#111 2012-04-30 10:33:06
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yes, which if you care to see what was intended you will see that is what was meant....
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#112 2012-04-30 11:52:46
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Stumpy, calm down, all of that stomping around is not good for whatever birds are using your brain for a nest.
[place chuckle here]
Postum Scriptum: For those not aware of terms of endearment around here, there are several names I have attached to the tree, just to show my affection for growing things.
Stumpy is one tag, stumps is another, and twiggy is another.
Did you know that the bark of the dogwood can only be heard by elephant ears?
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#113 2012-04-30 12:26:22
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have fun with your straw men
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#117 2012-04-30 13:20:18
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Ekanta wrote:
tree wrote:
indeed
Hehhehhehehehehe
That was good!!!!!!
I am loafing...good one Tree
rest like a mountain...(or a lake)
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#119 2012-04-30 13:23:15
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tree wrote:
Ekanta wrote:
tree wrote:
indeed
Hehhehhehehehehe
That was good!!!!!!
I am loafing...good one Treerest like a mountain...(or a lake)
Ok...it is so nice, you can fell me, from here, is is nice
Thank you my friend
Good night
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#121 2012-04-30 13:46:08
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tree wrote:
good night
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfb0e … o1_500.jpg
Hehehhehehe viva a vida
Good night
Thank you
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#122 2012-05-01 10:39:27
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joe wrote:
and roots, just for the record, you are still only guessing, both about babu and Si. Recognize that what you thought (seeing clearly, knowing where you are) is still bullshit. Alas, though, this has run its course for now it seems...until next time, sir roots, be well.
It occurred to me to reply, "as long as you're sure Joe." But I know from (bitter? . . . well anyway certainly extensive) experience, that you are (sure that is). . . . . Wrong, and positively evidenced so to be many times, but 'sure' nonetheless.
Also for the record: nothing could be more certain than that you are guessing about me guessing.
I am no more guessing at that former thing than I would be if I assert your own misguidedness and error, or that the largess in that area is only outshone by the degree of concomitant surety within it, which, despite regularly failing to answer pertinent questions and counter arguments, you remain undentable in.
If this seems a little 'snappy', excuse, I'm aware that I'm a bit tired.
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#123 2012-05-02 07:46:12
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wilbro99 wrote:
. . . there being nothing that [wonk] machine can not figure out.
I think this is absolutely true. Just as there is nothing politicians can't do with figures so there is nothing a good wordsmith cannot do with words.
You have here unwittingly high-lighted the root of your own perpetual undoing willy. You see, words, being vibration, are a positive physical factor, and when employed in any attempted description of what is none-physical (and none-oscilating), they are at a loss; they cannot do it. Also, when they are employed within their own realm (i.e. the unreal or illusary) they can be made to 'prove' any aspect of it. In other words in the world of psychological thought words can literally 'prove' anything, which is to say any positive statement and negative statement: any assertion and/or negation reference any particular matter.
What you do is employ it (wonk) to 'prove' whatever you wish, and 'proving' it, fool yourself first and then everybody else later.
The power of the 'I' in the hands of one such as yourself (but actually of course vicki-verco) is phenomenal indeed, but you are always the first fooled . . . . . . . (though it has to be said that Joe is never too far behind).
It seems fairly plain that you yourself observe - even if perhaps subconsciously - the truth of this willy, which is why you possess the humility to admit dilettante-ism and dealing in (unicorn) hot-air. What does not make quite so much sense is why you refuse to allow that any others might not actually - given that the world is a real place - have perception of that reality. Surely if it is real - which it is - then it must be perceivable; such perception is the only proof there could ever be of that reality. (I see why Joe doesn't, he never gets any light at all, absolutely never ever even the merest chink: his 'I' has him sealed up tighter than a kipper, tighter than leviathen's scales). But time to time you do catch a glimmer, I've seen it for myself.
I suppose the answer is because you are sold to your brain; sold to the philosophy of positivism and existentialism; sold to science and the empirical. Which would be also why you suppose Soren Kierkegaard to have a greater clarity of perception and explication than Jidu Krishnamurti. (You never did answer why you choose to involve on a site dedicated to the one which, in your view, is the lesser of these two beings?)
Stay well.
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#125 2012-05-02 08:37:40
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joe wrote:
back to the old roots I see...I wondered how long you could keep the judge hidden away. Duct tape just isn't as strong as it used to be.
Did I say something wrong Joe?
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