KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

sleep well ekanta

tree wrote:

as a dancer you know your body
so deeply you already know what's involved
beyond words

this is good,
a person is already on their way (where else would they be?)
you don't have to show them another.

the breaking it or the making it part...
which is ultimately more helpful?

tree wrote:

Ekanta wrote:

tree wrote:

go and sin no more

Sin, from sin? Wrong thinks?

desire and fear are one

because they both seek to escape from what is.

RJ wrote:

tree wrote:

where the body is completely relaxed it has no use for thought
this you already know

"aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhh!!!"

This is the title of my soon to be released book, subtitled

it's an autobiographical account of 32 years of the utmost dedication to 'trying' to relax

one see's what's involved

aye,
maybe
potentially
conceptually
no, I lost it, here's a poem instead, a la LT

what seeks to shrink
must first have grown;
what seeks weakness
surely was strong;
what seeks its ruin
must first have risin;
what seeks to take
has surely given.

RJ wrote:

tree wrote:

Ekanta wrote:

Sin, from sin? Wrong thinks?

desire and fear are one

because they both seek to escape from what is.

…and when they are ‘what is’, there is no way to escape anymore…

RJ wrote:

tree wrote:

where the body is completely relaxed it has no use for thought
this you already know

"aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhh!!!"

This is the title of my soon to be released book, subtitled

it's an autobiographical account of 32 years of the utmost dedication to 'trying' to relax

When the body is completely relaxed…

…it doesn’t exist in perception; just disappears.

natura wrote:

RJ wrote:

how do we not see what is?

mostly because we don’t want to

yes you alluded to this the other day and I was going to write a response but... anyway

I am familiar with this idea of sabotage.
that people use addiction, for example, to keep their life-force dependent and 'down'
that we are as fundamentally frightened by the light as much as the dark
somewhere nice and safe, lukewarm, dimly lit, is where we wish to remain, undisturbed...

I'm not sure... is it true for you?

RJ wrote:

natura wrote:

RJ wrote:

how do we not see what is?

mostly because we don’t want to

yes you alluded to this the other day and I was going to write a response but... anyway

I am familiar with this idea of sabotage.
that people use addiction, for example, to keep their life-force dependent and 'down'
that we are as fundamentally frightened by the light as much as the dark
somewhere nice and safe, lukewarm, dimly lit, is where we wish to remain, undisturbed...

I'm not sure... is it true for you?

Generally, yes, I see it that way too.

Though, people usually don’t know what light is; they are frightened not exactly by the light itself, but rather by that what they think it might be.
But the factor to remain undisturbed is a powerful one, indeed. People accept routine of their job, lack of love in the family, hardest competition in society, poverty even recruiting to a war is mostly better than pressing of authorities.
That’s the one side of the issue in spiritual searching – fear to lose what is still in possession, however poor it might be.

There is another side which is not that much gloomy.
People, especially citizens of wealthy countries, they are just happy to be what they are. They have many things in possession, many possibilities in life and perspectives to be happy in the future.
You cannot scare people like that saying ‘the house is on fire’. They just don’t see it. They don’t want to think very much about imminent aging and death. They pay the churches and those promise them eternity in haven in return. Wars, poverty, all kind of brutalities and other world’s problems are somewhere aside.
Those people have their desires, have means to realize them, means to quench any fear if it appears and they are just proud to have a life style like that.
Why should they explore the nature of their desire? The society has enough scientists to explain anything.

For example, when Krishnamurti spoke for American government they laughed at him.

Last edited by natura (2012-04-30 18:56:22)

natura wrote:

RJ wrote:

natura wrote:

mostly because we don’t want to

yes you alluded to this the other day and I was going to write a response but... anyway

I am familiar with this idea of sabotage.
that people use addiction, for example, to keep their life-force dependent and 'down'
that we are as fundamentally frightened by the light as much as the dark
somewhere nice and safe, lukewarm, dimly lit, is where we wish to remain, undisturbed...

I'm not sure... is it true for you?

Generally, yes, I see it that way too.

Though, people usually don’t know what light is; they are frightened not exactly by the light itself, but rather by that what they think it might be.
But the factor to remain undisturbed is a powerful one, indeed. People accept routine of their job, lack of love in the family, hardest competition in society, poverty even recruiting to a war is mostly better than pressing of authorities.
That’s the one side of the issue in spiritual searching – fear to lose what is still in possession, however poor it might be.
There is another side which is not that much gloomy.







People, especially citizens of wealthy countries, they are just happy to be what they are. They have many things in possession, many possibilities in life and perspectives to be happy in the future.
You cannot scare people like that saying ‘the hose is on fire’. They just don’t see it. They don’t want to think very much about imminent aging and death. They pay the churches and those promise them eternity in haven. Wars, poverty, all kind of brutalities and other world’s problems are somewhere aside.
Those people have their desires, have means to realize them, means to quench any fear if it appears and they are just proud to have a life style like that.
Why should they explore the nature of their desire? The society has enough scientists to explain anything.

For example, when Krishnamurti spoke for American government they laughed at him.

Yes, and is like that" the Budha will be always midi detested" .
That is the way is formed, one must be attent and strong...open and vulnerable...I just was lissening to Krishnamurt talking right now, and A professor of philosophy asked K: how we active clarity? K answer, hum..sorry? After the professor ask many times the same question, K answer back: Oh, I think your question is like a child, you want the formula? What about the thinks in which prevent you to get the clarity?
So, here we go...
Kisses

natura wrote:

Ekanta wrote:

Yes, for me very much
Thank you
If that is a path, I am in
Undisturbed

Hi, love

You are still looking for a path? That’s sweet.

But if you really want to be undisturbed, don’t ever look for a life-partner. Those men, first, they are all the same, second, they are the source of all terrible disturbances.
First time they are nice and sweet, but then after… horror!

Observing
Are you looking for a partner Dear Nature
Because this comments just come from you observing
But thank you any way

Ekanta wrote:

Are you looking for a partner Dear Nature

Ok many kisses Nature
And love to you

I have already found one.

You are my dialog partner.

Ekanta wrote:

natura wrote:

Ekanta wrote:

Are you looking for a partner Dear Nature

Ok many kisses Nature
And love to you

I have already found one.

You are my dialog partner.

Sure, I am
But not looking for anyone Dear
I am glad you found your half face
Kisses Dear

If I am looking for some one I will post here...BUT I AM NOT,
And my love is universal