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#26 2012-04-27 16:15:22
Re: What is the origin of goodness?
Teulada wrote:
Ekanta wrote:
tree wrote:
dispositions vary, it is not known from where they arise, why do you ask?
Beautiful morning
Transcendent light
All this forum in one melody
Love love love
We are the seed
I love youok, back off now Ekanta, this Tree is mine...
The tree can not be yours
Can not be my
The tree belongs to the universe
Or better, the tree is to all of us
Love to you
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#27 2012-04-27 16:19:53
Re: What is the origin of goodness?
Teulada wrote:
Ekanta wrote:
tree wrote:
dispositions vary, it is not known from where they arise, why do you ask?
Beautiful morning
Transcendent light
All this forum in one melody
Love love love
We are the seed
I love youok, back off now Ekanta, this Tree is mine...
The tree can not be yours
The tree can not be mind
The tree belong to the universe in our universe
Let the tree free
Love to you
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#29 2012-04-27 16:38:40
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Re: What is the origin of goodness?
Mmmm....What lovely origins.
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#31 2012-04-27 18:06:01
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Re: What is the origin of goodness?
Delusional
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#32 2012-04-27 18:48:48
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Re: What is the origin of goodness?
Tom wrote:
For a man or a woman to be a really good human being, where does it all begin? What is the origin of true human goodness. Does it start in the genes or in the DNA? Does it come from the correct application of will? Or does it descend out of the blue, out of nowhere?
K often talks about the flowering of goodness. But what's the seed of that flower?
the seed of that flower is goodness
this is a topic many philosophers have written big books about..
but i don't think you want to inquire in such a direction do you ?
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#33 2012-04-27 19:30:02
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Re: What is the origin of goodness?
goodness begat goodness Kirsten?
goodness!
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#35 2012-04-27 20:02:22
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Re: What is the origin of goodness?
(lord have mercy)
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#36 2012-04-27 20:33:25
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Re: What is the origin of goodness?
Tom wrote:
For a man or a woman to be a really good human being, where does it all begin? What is the origin of true human goodness. Does it start in the genes or in the DNA? Does it come from the correct application of will? Or does it descend out of the blue, out of nowhere?
K often talks about the flowering of goodness. But what's the seed of that flower?
I think that in a sense it is possible to talk of an origin. That which was broken may become whole again, in that sense. We experience the badness, and intuitively know the goodness, so that division is known (at least to me).
Regarding the concept of goodness, is there a desire to do good and a fear of being sensitive at the beginning of it?
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#38 2012-04-27 20:45:14
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Re: What is the origin of goodness?
yes, was it me and can I do it again.
Would you give the last cookie to your child but not to a stranger.
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#40 2012-04-27 20:57:30
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Re: What is the origin of goodness?
'just do it' is easy for impulsive people too, not just compassionate ones
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#42 2012-04-27 21:28:34
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Re: What is the origin of goodness?
Yes I know you did. Compassion just acts.
But the mental considering measures if its good or bad. I might need that cookie. There are many ways or seeming reasons to stop being compassionate.
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#44 2012-04-27 21:58:09
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Re: What is the origin of goodness?
If compassion just acts then it is hard to say what it is or will be.
When I was young I wanted to help but couldn't, when older I felt I should but most often didnt. Would you negate those kind of thoughts? They are desires and apprehensions.
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#46 2012-04-27 22:52:58
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Re: What is the origin of goodness?
joe wrote:
well it is not for me to say what you should or should not have negated, but desire gets in the way the same as apprehensions, isn't it?
yes its possible to see that desire can take the shape of an observer and act as an understanding and get in the way of a spontaneous (compassionate) act.
But my question was for you, or rather for me to hear an example of what you would typically negate, if this is occuring daily for you, beacause I do not know even if we have touched it a long time ago.
personally I think I have a schizo personality (not seriously, no), but suddenly the wonder is there for me, but when it isnt, it isnt, and I look for it. I dont negate my desires then, for example.
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#47 2012-04-27 23:02:12
Re: What is the origin of goodness?
I negate the stories...stories always have a little lie inside them. So for example if I am not going to make an event I thought I would, I just tell them I am not going to make it. I don't say I can't come because I am not feeling well unless I am not feeling well. I have found this to be extremely well received, despite what the mind wanted to make up to covers its supposed ass.
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#49 2012-04-27 23:17:12
Re: What is the origin of goodness?
Tom wrote:
For a man or a woman to be a really good human being, where does it all begin? What is the origin of true human goodness. Does it start in the genes or in the DNA? Does it come from the correct application of will? Or does it descend out of the blue, out of nowhere?
K often talks about the flowering of goodness. But what's the seed of that flower?
Putting this question this way, Tom, you twist it all upside down and provoke endless discussions even before they start.
If you like the discussions and don’t mind their endlessness (and as much I know, you do), this is a good question and you will get them easily.
However, if you want to get understanding on this, generally extraordinary important, topic you would ask it the other way round, i.e.:
Why is our human history so shameless brutal? Why we admire the heroism of wars, killings each other, ability to deceive each other in achieving our personal and group related goals? Why are we living by the principle ‘the end justifies the means’?
Isn’t the human egoism the root of all the mischiefs?
Putting the question this way we would have some substantial material to work on.
In your edition it’s about speculations only. Indeed, what the hell does it come from the ‘goodness’ which we have no idea what it is at all.
Goodness for whom? America, UK, Australia or China, Iran or Russia?
What’s good for Tom could be not useful for natura, or someone else.
Isn’t that way to relative?
Anyway, even if we know the answers, so what?
Do we want to change it or we want to get even more refined for success in defence of our states and nations, our private business etc?
γνῶθι σεαυτόν (nosce te ipsum)
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#50 2012-04-27 23:45:49
Re: What is the origin of goodness?
natura, what if his question is designed to be the wrong way around; and that so that there will be no answer that cannot be dismissed as not the answer.
Methinks he is after the meaning of *beyond* in its *beyond* form; the empty that is fullness.
Therefor, goodness is the emptiness that is fullness.
Ha! UF strikes again!
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