KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

That's funny now, night....laughing my head off, boy o boy.

night wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Don't move your eyes for 2 minutes and heaven is there.

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You're assuming it can be done through hypnosis: but you haven't done it or else you wouldn't say that.

Jayaraj wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Jayaraj wrote:

Jeez Bruce two minutes is time & you have been refuting time! Why two minutes? What happens withing two minutes?

Of course, 2 minutes is arbitrary. It could be much less. The point is tthat he brain doesn't stay in the unknown long enough-perhaps less than a second, and so it is useless. When it 'tries' to stay, fear comes along and makes it move away, towards the known.

  And instead of being aware of thoughts, understanding patterns and all that, with a brain that doesn't have space at all, being aware of the eyes'movements is easier-perhaps...

Easier? Is I movement independent of thought movement?

Perhaps it's not easier, it just seems that way. After all, the eye movement IS the I movement.

RJ wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

'Normal social functioning'?? Only the sick wants to function 'normally'. And society is sick, so to fit in it is to be sick as well.

  Personality?? A bunch of masks...

the undeflatable defence of the Messiah complex

Once again, sir: only the sick wants to be part of a sick society, which they call 'normal'. I'm just commenting on your words, it has nothing to do with me.

kirsten wrote:

meditation as a method is hypnosis
yes i've done it and i sleep each night too
but what about life and relationship bruce ?

You mean to tell me that your eyes are not moving right now?

Jayaraj wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Jayaraj wrote:

When my niece was 6 or 7 years old, one day she had to take part in some religious observations at school. The teacher had told the kids that when they take part in such religious observations they go to heaven.When her mother went to school that day to bring her back my niece was crying & refusing to get into the van it seems saying she doesn't want to go to heaven, that she wants to go home!

So sir, apparently man doesn't want to tread on unknown areas!!

Yes, we want some assurance of some kind first.

That's it. That may be why man never changes!

It would be just too simple, my friends.

Assurance, yes, fear is a significant factor, but that’s not all yet.

Some people are close about to suicide or commit it, no fear to lose their lives, but they don’t get to the haven before.

So I insist, nothing can help without self-knowledge…

…and Mr. Robert is your mother’s brother, bruce.

natura wrote:

Jayaraj wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Yes, we want some assurance of some kind first.

That's it. That may be why man never changes!

It would be just too simple, my friends.

Assurance, yes, fear is a significant factor, but that’s not all yet.

Some people are close about to suicide or commit it, no fear to lose their lives, but they don’t get to the haven before.

So I insist, nothing can help without self-knowledge…

…and Mr. Robert is your mother’s brother, bruce.

I dismiss self-knowledge, because it takes time. To die is not a conscious decision, gathered after countless years of self-knowledge.

  As for suicide, it is simply not true that people in question have no fear. It is obvious that fear plays a central part in commiting a suicide. Obviously.
  I can only commit suicide if my image gets hurt in some way or another and I can't take it anymore. I am afraid of what other people will say, how they will react-in other words, I have no future; that is, my projected future doesn't fit with my plans, my goals, how people are suppossed to see me, act in relation to me, and so that projected future makes me give up.
The fear of that projected future is bigger than facing the reality, and so I commit suicide. Obviously.

Romanticized self centered bs joe

lol, ok bob...I guess the living will saying not to keep me going in this condition is bs too.  Hopefully by the time we get to that age it will be self-evident the necessity for this and not be fought so hard.  My mom is slipping into dementia now, every day lately is is worse and worse and soon she will not know me at all.  I do not expect this from that generation but if our generation and those that follow us do not find the sanity in allowing people to choose their end this world will grow even colder than it is.

bruce sean wrote:

RJ wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

'Normal social functioning'?? Only the sick wants to function 'normally'. And society is sick, so to fit in it is to be sick as well.

  Personality?? A bunch of masks...

the undeflatable defence of the Messiah complex

Once again, sir: only the sick wants to be part of a sick society, which they call 'normal'. I'm just commenting on your words, it has nothing to do with me.

yeah right
"I don't exist, there is no 'me' etc. etc. etc.
"If the various versions of my 'pointing out the truth' upsets people then 'I' have no responsibility
how could I, I'm not even here"

in a court of law this kind of dissembling would be described as
'not guilty by virtue of insanity'

it's perverse how insanity can be virtuous, but there you have it, innocence by virtue of being too stupid, or arrogant, to know the difference between reality and delusion.

In fact there are plenty of happy loons in the world. If it was to our evolutionary advantage you could see how that extra chromosome of Down's syndrome wouldn't be a bad thing en masse, they are way more loving, affectionate, good-natured and cheerful than your average 'normal'.

The thing is that those crazy happy mad-men don't usually set about writing 10 thousand posts, along with whatever else they do to occupy their time, to try to convince others on how to get into the same state they have end up finding themselves...

unless, oh yeah... the messiah complex.

I'm afraid you don't understand any of this. The actuality of all this eludes you, which makes you be, at times, quite vulgar.

  'In a court of law', you say, but a court of law is in itself insane. Again, it has nothing to do with me: suppose I wasn't born, so take me out of the equation-now look at the world. If you really looked you would see insanity ALL AROUND, sickness all around, suffering all around, uhm?
  Me in it or out of it, doesn't change that fact, First, see that fact, irrespective of what I'm doing here or in life, or what I'm saying or not saying.

  The world IS insane: this is an absolute fact-the 'normal' is insane. You see? I'm removing any Referential System, because there isn't any. And you're desperately looking for one, in order to comment on what is being said: but there is no reference point, except the fact; fact which doesn't need approval or rejection from a court of law, or from society in general.

  Edit: to #70.

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joe wrote:

lol, ok bob...I guess the living will saying not to keep me going in this condition is bs too.  Hopefully by the time we get to that age it will be self-evident the necessity for this and not be fought so hard.  My mom is slipping into dementia now, every day lately is is worse and worse and soon she will not know me at all.  I do not expect this from that generation but if our generation and those that follow us do not find the sanity in allowing people to choose their end this world will grow even colder than it is.

But don't you see joe? You are not doing it for anyone but yourself. And I don't see anything wrong with that...but don't sit there and say you are doing it for anyone but yourself. That is a crock o' shit.