KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

snguyen wrote:

But let me be clear about you. How interested are you in your daily life with this 'meditation'? Is it a serious, constant movement or is it just knowledge put aside somewhere?

it's a serious constant movement punctuated by moments of incredulity and hilarity.

Eden wrote:

snguyen wrote:

joe wrote:

ok then...when doing that inward looking, are you seeing the answer maker come forward?

A lot of times the mind/brain is solidly silent. It does not want to move. Facing a question it moves but it never satisfies with an inteltlectual answer for it does not memorize anything. And the answer must be intense, with energy, with a genuine actuality.

If I hadn't been to the annual K gathering, I would suspect all the k-nuts to be bodiless orbs of consciousness, or perhaps some variation of a brain in a jar.  So come clean snuggy....do you actually inhabit a body?  I can't really tell.

it's too uncomfortable to inhabit a body.

joe wrote:

snguyen wrote:

joe wrote:

the more you tell yourself how you are the less you actually know.

In fact, it is a lot of not knowing. It is just silence, losing a lot of conceptual knowing.

everything you have said here is just knowing speaking...

May I repeat the question I have asked here many times, if only because it's very serious: If the Buddha were to start posting on here, how would you know?

Since a person could only possibly recognise 'light' if they already know it, which would be to say that they must already have it in some (whatever) measure in order to recognise it, then only a 'seer', a 'knower', would possibly be able to recognise the Buddha's posts.

If you cannot recognise the light that actually exists on the forum already, then patently you would not recognise light in any new poster, be he who he may.

RJ wrote:

snguyen wrote:

But let me be clear about you. How interested are you in your daily life with this 'meditation'? Is it a serious, constant movement or is it just knowledge put aside somewhere?

it's a serious constant movement punctuated by moments of incredulity and hilarity.

Of course, it is all life still. You don't live in escape, but with deeper understanding you live much more happier.

Roots wrote:

joe wrote:

snguyen wrote:

In fact, it is a lot of not knowing. It is just silence, losing a lot of conceptual knowing.

everything you have said here is just knowing speaking...

May I repeat the question I have asked here many times, if only because it's very serious: If the Buddha were to start posting on here, how would you know?

Since a person could only possibly recognise 'light' if they already know it, which would be to say that they must already have it in some (whatever) measure in order to recognise it, then only a 'seer', a 'knower', would possibly be able to recognise the Buddha's posts.

If you cannot recognise the light that actually exists on the forum already, then patently you would not recognise light in any new poster, be he who he may.

No no Roots, life is full of problems, challenges, mysteries, and it requires a lot of understanding before there can be intelligence and freedom. In the course of constant learning one discovers what is inside consciousness and new things. It is rather more and more losing of the I, disgusting of the I, which is a big illusion. If you make it personal, it will be far very wrong. There is no need for identification at all and that is real freedom isn't it?

long before I ever heard of K I saw that I was not who I thought I was.  I am not a cheerleader, obviously, because I also saw and see that while this is important for some (cheerleading) for others it is only a perpetuation of their dreaming, and to aid in that would be dishonest.  I did not learn this from K, I learned it by observing it happen in my own thinking.

To really look at life and find out the truth about it all, don't we need to be very open and free of all prejudices? I don't say, ok, I have my experiences, my knowledge, my inclination and from that I will look and determine life accordingly.  Do I care enough to go into all elements of life and from there look at the whole? Or do I stick to my own fragment and conclude?

Deception to oneself and then spread it to others are one element but that is not all for life. It is up to you really because what is behind the talk? We can look at that. But does one have interest and energy? What makes one talk?

clearly if myself or someone else is in a conversation with you then the energy is there for it, so please stop the qualifications and try to answer the questions...

joe wrote:

clearly if myself or someone else is in a conversation with you then the energy is there for it, so please stop the qualifications and try to answer the questions...

I don't try to qualify you. If you do have the energy, then you go on regardless. Are you upset Joe?

I do not think I am upset, no...I like you Si, I really do.  Roots thinks I am just tearing you down to tear you down but he does not see clearly around you.  I am challenging some things in the way you write because to me they indicate a separation, a posit, which is the one and only thing of relevance in these matters.

good, then friends it is...so, what is there really to talk about?  Is our talking really just an ongoing reaction?  What if everything is a reaction?

Now, if we cannot help each other, at least see why there are so much conflict, differences and isolation. That can be something to see.