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snguyen wrote:

RJ wrote:

snguyen wrote:

All one's anger, fear, resistance, pride and hurt are from there...

and all one's hopes, passions, searching, enquiring, communicating, exhorting, encouraging, evangelising and the irrepressible desire to mount the podium to tell it how it is.

in seeking to negate the part you don't like you have to negate the whole
(and so usually end up talking about dying... it's the only way out of the conundrum)


co·nun·drum

Noun:

1.A confusing and difficult problem or question.
2.A question asked for amusement, typically one with a pun in its answer; a riddle.

That is true: to negate everything. But what does it mean? It does not mean that we suppress the whole thing and keep silent. In relationship, in criticizing without opposing each other agressively, we can find out.

sure, why not?
where shall we begin?

snguyen wrote:

Negation does not mean to evoke conflict. It is very passive observation of reaction. And to be passively observing the mind needs to be simple. This does not mean either to go against knowledge but as I can see that a mind full of knowledge of what things should be, can hardly observe simply.

That is a fact, and it is very far from the real center, can be very far from trues, and has contaminated the world.
By the way, Ibcan not sleep, changing night for days at my studies, I download the book, thank you, and also I found a very special dialogue with k on illusion onmthe you tube, and that will be to my breakfast, thank you Snguyen, good night

snguyen wrote:

Negation does not mean to evoke conflict. It is very passive observation of reaction. And to be passively observing the mind needs to be simple. This does not mean either to go against knowledge but as I can see that a mind full of knowledge of what things should be, can hardly observe simply.

okay, negation is this, isn't that,
we have to drop the 'should' to be with what is...

can we both assume we are both well read and well practiced and jump ahead into a conversation at some point? I assumed you titled the thread 'friends' for a reason, you didn't call it 'Krishnamurti 101' for example, or 'statements'.

A little while ago you said you wanted to talk with me, I said sure,
and am still waiting to know what you want to talk about?

are you warming up to a theme or just still testing the water to see if it is safe to jump in? would you prefer to do this privately? It certainly occurs to me that a forum may be a ridiculous place to have a one to one conversation in... I don't mind any options, am still open, and waiting...

dear fellow, in polite company one does not initiate a conversation that ends with an invitation to talk further by starting it with a yawn.

then again I'm not really polite company am I...

I happen to think that Si is very genuine indeed, passionate even, and personally I have all the time in the world for that kind of company and am not in the least concerned with whatever were his influences up to this point in time.

can I reserve my expression of interest for your thread of thought until I see what's on offer? I can promise to initially listen if that is worth anything to you. What do you have to say about the subject of 'K-conditioning'? (other than that by using that particular choice of phrase you generally regard it as a bad thing)

RJ wrote:

snguyen wrote:

Negation does not mean to evoke conflict. It is very passive observation of reaction. And to be passively observing the mind needs to be simple. This does not mean either to go against knowledge but as I can see that a mind full of knowledge of what things should be, can hardly observe simply.

okay, negation is this, isn't that,
we have to drop the 'should' to be with what is...

can we both assume we are both well read and well practiced and jump ahead into a conversation at some point? I assumed you titled the thread 'friends' for a reason, you didn't call it 'Krishnamurti 101' for example, or 'statements'.

A little while ago you said you wanted to talk with me, I said sure,
and am still waiting to know what you want to talk about?

are you warming up to a theme or just still testing the water to see if it is safe to jump in? would you prefer to do this privately? It certainly occurs to me that a forum may be a ridiculous place to have a one to one conversation in... I don't mind any options, am still open, and waiting...

I got you now. But then what are there you want to talk about? I basically live in this awareness, attention, and watching all the time. And that is my only thing. Why, all my happiness is in this. If you want a private talk, I am afraid I have not much to say. If you don't want to talk here, that is even fine, for I am not waiting for forum time to talk but this stuff is going on in me all the time. And forgive me, but you know, why do I want anything else?

Lots of time now I dont need to talk to anyone if he is not interested in this K stuff because the movement goes on in me anyway, and when I log on, I am talking out loud, and when I sign out, I still continue. Maybe this is too much or crazy for you, but that is how I am.

I have to let you know, but I don't need that myself

What is an unconditioned mind? Sure it is getting more and more simple. Sometimes it is difficult to talk to people forit forgets a lot of things.

I don't mind about myself anymore. What is it about oneself to think about it all day? Don't you see that? But the pure awareness, when most challenges are not there any more, is a different state of perception. It is free from the demand of thought of becoming, time, or self concern.

joe wrote:

snguyen wrote:

joe wrote:

the more you tell yourself how you are the less you actually know.

In fact, it is a lot of not knowing. It is just silence, losing a lot of conceptual knowing.

everything you have said here is just knowing speaking...

In communication. But what is it for me when I am not talking to anyone? If a problem comes up, I will look at it. But you know that for a constant attending mind, it eventually gets lost in that movement naturally, meaning relaxed silence.

joe sez of Si: "everything you have said here is just knowing speaking..."

joe, what does 'just' mean?

wilbro99 wrote:

joe sez of Si: "everything you have said here is just knowing speaking..."

joe, what does 'just' mean?

meant as 'only'