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RJ wrote:

I'm trying to talk with Si as opposed to being talked down to, up to, whatever.
of course it is my pride that feels insulted when he appears to be talking down to me, giving me unsolicited advice etc.
so what?
insert that same word pride 'self', 'ego' etc etc. they all mean the same thing.

so now your advice is to get over your self, great, fuck you very much, your wish is my command etc.

is this a typical example of the being in concious relationship you were talking about yesterday?




did all of that scan I wonder?

let me try another summary

why are you saying to me to get over feeling lectured to?
how I feel is how I feel, it is all mine so WTF does it have to do with you?

I hear you RJ.

You want to talk to someone rather than being talked down to or up or whatever.

It is very clear to me.

Thanks for sharing.

Eden wrote:

RJ wrote:

how I feel is how I feel, it is all mine so WTF does it have to do with you?

joe likes to save the fat tourists from the swamp crocs

while you get your jollies making the crocs fatter?

Ekanta wrote:

Desire to stop conflic, when is real, nothing can really affect you...

Desire to stop conflict

snguyen wrote:

RJ wrote:

snguyen wrote:

RJ   are we not close right now?
I am listening to your thoughts, you to mine, this is very intimate.
I am not sure that 'conflict' prevents mutual learning and understanding.

S    Conflict if not understood at its root cause will definitely put a wall between you and the object whether it is people, an idea, an image of hurt, dislike or distaste. When this conflict is there, existing inside oneself and ready to collide over and again, there can’t be a total understanding. This total understanding comes in the absence of conflict.
The understanding based on conflict is opposition, and always taking a position which is viewed as correct against incorrect.



RJ    I do think it prevents a sense of trust and open-ness. But surely it is wise to be extremely selective about who we endow with this trust. Who can you be completely naked with, vulnerable, real? Can it be a fellow human being? Has it been?

S   There is only trust, real trust, real openness in true understanding of yourself. You have the truth of understanding and that is your trust. From this trust, this security, this independence and freedom within, you act. I don’t put trust on anybody, even my own experience and learning because there is always the new.



RJ    Coming back to the point, I want to suggest to you the idea that conflict is a necessary and healthy part of life, though it does bring up many aspects of ourselves and others that may seem quite fearful to behold.

S    Yes it is true that conflict and fragmentation are what we begin with. I used to be in conflict with absolutely everything in the manner of discontent. Nothing I looked at lasted long or kept me in ignorance and complacency. Yes, it is a complete discontent with everything and so it comes to be free from everything.
Go on, we can go into more details that are not just sounding like abstract concepts.

why will I go on?
it is like being lectured to by an adolescent boy
sure of himself, stiff, stupid (he who talks but does not listen, would you prefer a different word?)


I think you have a burning need to prosleytise,
ok fine, but please, not here.


pros·e·lyt·ize/ˈpräsələˌtīz/
Verb:
1.Convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another.
2.Advocate or promote (a belief or course of action)

First, if you don't want to go more into it, I will, as always that I have much to say. I don't want to lecture anyone, that is childish. You said something, and I had to look into myself to reply. What was read out loud from my inner seeing hurts you. If what I said was stupid, stiff or childish and that hurt you, then the whole thing was a fact.

I have no desire to convert you because that has no fun in itself. But maybe I can remind myself that I have worked so very hard, so very hard through so many years and that to be free of conflict is the main joyful energy supply to me.

You can go ahead and 'lecture' me. I have no problem with that.

I don't want to lecture you mate,
I thought you wanted to talk, you asked me to, remember?

I'm here and completely open to talk about whatever you like, which is what?

RJ wrote:

joe wrote:

RJ wrote:

I'm trying to talk with Si as opposed to being talked down to, up to, whatever.
of course it is my pride that feels insulted when he appears to be talking down to me, giving me unsolicited advice etc.
so what?
insert that same word pride 'self', 'ego' etc etc. they all mean the same thing.

so now your advice is to get over your self, great, fuck you very much, your wish is my command etc.

is this a typical example of the being in concious relationship you were talking about yesterday?




did all of that scan I wonder?

let me try another summary

why are you saying to me to get over feeling lectured to?

Well, had you got it the first time you also would have gotten the irony of the first posting but alas you needed an explanation of what to get over so here we are.  You apologized for overreacting and carrying old feelings into my post  and I said fine, now get over it will you (essentially lecturing you, yes, hence the irony and opportunity for you to face the same feeling anew).

RJ wrote:

how I feel is how I feel, it is all mine so WTF does it have to do with you?

We are all here together RJ, and in a thread about conflict in which you reply to me I only replied back.  Problem, old boy?

don't condescend, don't patronise = no problem for me
I'll treat you as I would like to be treated and then you tell me if that's a problem for you.

oy, well this train took a wrong turn a while ago, might as well scrap it and wait.

RJ wrote:

I don't want to lecture you mate,
I thought you wanted to talk, you asked me to, remember?

I'm here and completely open to talk about whatever you like, which is what?

Ha ha ha,

I don't know friend. What should we talk about? All I feel is just this love for you. That is all. What to talk about is secondary. We can just be silent.

joe wrote:

RJ wrote:

why do you want to do that?
what are you waiting for?

I want to do that because from the start you are misreading my intent.  Waiting for a time when that is not the case, which sometimes takes a bit of time.  Maybe it doesn't this time, who knows?  I can tell you that I just ate some ghost chili flakes on pizza and my mouth is on fire but for this I certainly have to wait for relief.

If that is what ghost chili can do I would hate to meet it while it was still alive...

okay, if you say so I certainly accept I am misreading you,
so, what is your intent?

RJ wrote:

joe wrote:

RJ wrote:

why do you want to do that?
what are you waiting for?

I want to do that because from the start you are misreading my intent.  Waiting for a time when that is not the case, which sometimes takes a bit of time.  Maybe it doesn't this time, who knows?  I can tell you that I just ate some ghost chili flakes on pizza and my mouth is on fire but for this I certainly have to wait for relief.

If that is what ghost chili can do I would hate to meet it while it was still alive...

okay, if you say so I certainly accept I am misreading you,
so, what is your intent?

now? Ha, good question.  I know the ghost has finally flown the coop and I am typing in an internet forum and watching a baseball game in the dwindling sunlight.  I vote for the Quaker treatment..

snguyen wrote:

Conflict is inevitable where you have any image of yourself, possess and follow any idea or principle, cherish the way of yourself, or what you think as correct. Therein you are entangled yourself. All one's anger, fear, resistance, pride and hurt are from there, conflict between what one holds and what is happening.

Thanks...learning from this one

Ekanta wrote:

snguyen wrote:

Conflict is inevitable where you have any image of yourself, possess and follow any idea or principle, cherish the way of yourself, or what you think as correct. Therein you are entangled yourself. All one's anger, fear, resistance, pride and hurt are from there, conflict between what one holds and what is happening.

Thanks...learning from this one

Snguyen good night, I am going to sleep, to late here in Thailand.
Thank you,
Catch you later...

Ekanta wrote:

Ekanta wrote:

snguyen wrote:

Conflict is inevitable where you have any image of yourself, possess and follow any idea or principle, cherish the way of yourself, or what you think as correct. Therein you are entangled yourself. All one's anger, fear, resistance, pride and hurt are from there, conflict between what one holds and what is happening.

Thanks...learning from this one

Snguyen good night, I am going to sleep, to late here in Thailand.
Thank you,
Catch you later...

I am sorry Ekanta, I dont' know. But you can always read K's books, a simple one like The First and Last Freedom. There you can see for yourself on any topic or question you have. Love to you and sleep tight.

Last edited by snguyen (2012-04-17 16:04:56)

how do you know that?