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Just wondering why you do not respond to others who are trying to communicate with you.

pearl wrote:

Just wondering why you do not respond to others who are trying to communicate with you.

Ekanta replied to my comment "surprise surprise" but from her comment it wasn't immediately clear to me if she was addressing me or snuggy's line that I replied to. Also, based on her previous posts, I haven't found myself interested in paying close attention to her comments.

As for these "others".  Not sure who else you might be referring to.  More imaginary projections I suppose.

Ekanta wrote:

pearl wrote:

Just wondering why you do not respond to others who are trying to communicate with you.

Pearl is always nice when people respond to our quote, but to be honest, I am really not waiting for some one to communicated with me..people are free to do or not to do, and some time a silence aways work...so no expectation by my side, I am really not looking for any rspecial response from Eden,
Love
Ekanta

All good, Ekanta. No expectations, no worries.  Just wondered about Eden why he doesn't communicate with some.

RJ   are we not close right now?
I am listening to your thoughts, you to mine, this is very intimate.
I am not sure that 'conflict' prevents mutual learning and understanding.

S    Conflict if not understood at its root cause will definitely put a wall between you and the object whether it is people, an idea, an image of hurt, dislike or distaste. When this conflict is there, existing inside oneself and ready to collide over and again, there can’t be a total understanding. This total understanding comes in the absence of conflict.
The understanding based on conflict is opposition, and always taking a position which is viewed as correct against incorrect.



RJ    I do think it prevents a sense of trust and open-ness. But surely it is wise to be extremely selective about who we endow with this trust. Who can you be completely naked with, vulnerable, real? Can it be a fellow human being? Has it been?

S   There is only trust, real trust, real openness in true understanding of yourself. You have the truth of understanding and that is your trust. From this trust, this security, this independence and freedom within, you act. I don’t put trust on anybody, even my own experience and learning because there is always the new.



RJ    Coming back to the point, I want to suggest to you the idea that conflict is a necessary and healthy part of life, though it does bring up many aspects of ourselves and others that may seem quite fearful to behold.

S    Yes it is true that conflict and fragmentation are what we begin with. I used to be in conflict with absolutely everything in the manner of discontent. Nothing I looked at lasted long or kept me in ignorance and complacency. Yes, it is a complete discontent with everything and so it comes to be free from everything.
Go on, we can go into more details that are not just sounding like abstract concepts.

Eden wrote:

snguyen wrote:

So, I would like to talk about the conflict that prevents us to come closer for mutual learning and understanding.

Perhaps it's your never ending interest in talking about and analyzing conflict that keeps the conflict going.  News flash:  Those who are healthy aren't interested in talking endlessly about sickness.

In the openning message I said that you can be free right now. You always have that option to exit. I don't see in you a seriousness to pursue an inquiry to any good degree. You are free to go your way.

snguyen wrote:

I don't see in you a seriousness to pursue

Indeed.  This body is not interested in pursuing anything.  There's your conflict right there.

to say conflict is necessary is too open ended...to say 'conflict-free is the way to be' gets lost in the clouds.  Conflict happens but usually it is due to a conditioned resistance on one part or the other.  It is clear that this resistance is due to our own continuance of it, right?  If we can say that and keep that as a given in this discussion perhaps we can suss out what conflict is about a bit easier, or at least how it is viewed by each.

of course, but so what?
did not the process of raising children show you the futility of finding peace through determining who started the war?

RJ wrote:

of course, but so what?
did not the process of raising children show you the futility of finding peace through determining who started the war?

oh absolutely it did, and we all sat together in the shit, right?  But did I throw up my hands and say this is just how it has to be, fighting every day?  Hell no I didn't, did you?

fine...get over that, will you?

RJ wrote:

snguyen wrote:

RJ   are we not close right now?
I am listening to your thoughts, you to mine, this is very intimate.
I am not sure that 'conflict' prevents mutual learning and understanding.

S    Conflict if not understood at its root cause will definitely put a wall between you and the object whether it is people, an idea, an image of hurt, dislike or distaste. When this conflict is there, existing inside oneself and ready to collide over and again, there can’t be a total understanding. This total understanding comes in the absence of conflict.
The understanding based on conflict is opposition, and always taking a position which is viewed as correct against incorrect.



RJ    I do think it prevents a sense of trust and open-ness. But surely it is wise to be extremely selective about who we endow with this trust. Who can you be completely naked with, vulnerable, real? Can it be a fellow human being? Has it been?

S   There is only trust, real trust, real openness in true understanding of yourself. You have the truth of understanding and that is your trust. From this trust, this security, this independence and freedom within, you act. I don’t put trust on anybody, even my own experience and learning because there is always the new.



RJ    Coming back to the point, I want to suggest to you the idea that conflict is a necessary and healthy part of life, though it does bring up many aspects of ourselves and others that may seem quite fearful to behold.

S    Yes it is true that conflict and fragmentation are what we begin with. I used to be in conflict with absolutely everything in the manner of discontent. Nothing I looked at lasted long or kept me in ignorance and complacency. Yes, it is a complete discontent with everything and so it comes to be free from everything.
Go on, we can go into more details that are not just sounding like abstract concepts.

why will I go on?
it is like being lectured to by an adolescent boy
sure of himself, stiff, stupid (he who talks but does not listen, would you prefer a different word?)


I think you have a burning need to prosleytise,
ok fine, but please, not here.


pros·e·lyt·ize/ˈpräsələˌtīz/
Verb:
1.Convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another.
2.Advocate or promote (a belief or course of action)

First, if you don't want to go more into it, I will, as always that I have much to say. I don't want to lecture anyone, that is childish. You said something, and I had to look into myself to reply. What was read out loud from my inner seeing hurts you. If what I said was stupid, stiff or childish and that hurt you, then the whole thing was a fact.

I have no desire to convert you because that has no fun in itself. But maybe I can remind myself that I have worked so very hard, so very hard through so many years and that to be free of conflict is the main joyful energy supply to me.

You can go ahead and 'lecture' me. I have no problem with that.

joe wrote:

fine...get over that, will you?

get over what?

I'm trying to talk with Si as opposed to being talked down to, up to, whatever.
of course it is my pride that feels insulted when he appears to be talking down to me, giving me unsolicited advice etc.
so what?
insert that same word pride 'self', 'ego' etc etc. they all mean the same thing.

so now your advice is to get over your self, great, fuck you very much, your wish is my command etc.

is this a typical example of the being in concious relationship you were talking about yesterday?




did all of that scan I wonder?

let me try another summary

why are you saying to me to get over feeling lectured to?
how I feel is how I feel, it is all mine so WTF does it have to do with you?