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bruce sean wrote:

snguyen wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Free all you want, but where's the relationship? Between what and what?

You don't know?

who cares about relationship? There is none. It is a different thing. The free has no relation.

Then why are you bringing it up?! To me, it means very little, because it is one way.

Ah no, without relationship, in isolation, there is no learning. The trouble is, when you are free, relationship is also free.

Ekanta wrote:

A state of confusion is a lovely state, is the first step to put the house in order

Observing

snguyen wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

snguyen wrote:

You don't know?

who cares about relationship? There is none. It is a different thing. The free has no relation.

Then why are you bringing it up?! To me, it means very little, because it is one way.

Ah no, without relationship, in isolation, there is no learning. The trouble is, when you are free, relationship is also free.

There is no learning if one is not free, so to speak: only 'after'. But relationship doesn't exist, at any stage.

  You are talking about something else: learning from a LACK OF RELATIONSHIP-that's the actual fact: the mirror of a lack of relationship.

Ekanta wrote:

snguyen wrote:

Ekanta wrote:

Yes, we learn all the time, and become so beautifull...some time is painfull, but after we learn to not identify much and we are in a better space, calmness

If you lead a peaceful life, peace be with you.

Yes, in the end can be just simple as you mention

It can, theoretically.

Confusion is the first state to put the house in order

Ekanta wrote:

Confusion is the first state to put the house in order

But who is to put the house in order?

bruce sean wrote:

snguyen wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

What are you talking about?! Who said anything about forcing another?

OK, when you don't know you are doing, you just do, without pretension. The rain does not ask why it rains.

Who's forcing whom? You didn't answer that.

  Who's pretending what? You asked a question, which was answered, that is not pretention. But because another answer was expected, you called it pretension. In fact, I wrote a different answer at first, then deleted it: it would've been pretension to say this mind doesn't ask that question, and the only thing it knows is that is not 'not-free'.

  Because freedom exists, why pretend it doesn't?

Not at all. Not at all. One is not concerned at all if whatever one is doing is right, without looking back, without carrying along. It is just right. That is free.

So, are we free from all those, and have a no direction conversation?
You said in total freedom from begining, there is new learning, is it right?

snguyen wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

snguyen wrote:

OK, when you don't know you are doing, you just do, without pretension. The rain does not ask why it rains.

Who's forcing whom? You didn't answer that.

  Who's pretending what? You asked a question, which was answered, that is not pretention. But because another answer was expected, you called it pretension. In fact, I wrote a different answer at first, then deleted it: it would've been pretension to say this mind doesn't ask that question, and the only thing it knows is that is not 'not-free'.

  Because freedom exists, why pretend it doesn't?

Not at all. Not at all. One is not concerned at all if whatever one is doing is right, without looking back, without carrying along. It is just right. That is free.

So, are we free from all those, and have a no direction conversation?
You said in total freedom from begining, there is new learning, is it right?

A conversation without direction? I don't know about that: the danger is that it could degenerate in non-sense.

bruce sean wrote:

snguyen wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Who's forcing whom? You didn't answer that.

  Who's pretending what? You asked a question, which was answered, that is not pretention. But because another answer was expected, you called it pretension. In fact, I wrote a different answer at first, then deleted it: it would've been pretension to say this mind doesn't ask that question, and the only thing it knows is that is not 'not-free'.

  Because freedom exists, why pretend it doesn't?

Not at all. Not at all. One is not concerned at all if whatever one is doing is right, without looking back, without carrying along. It is just right. That is free.

So, are we free from all those, and have a no direction conversation?
You said in total freedom from begining, there is new learning, is it right?

A conversation without direction? I don't know about that: the danger is that it could degenerate in non-sense.

It is not degeneratable, why do you anticipate so?

bruce sean wrote:

Ekanta wrote:

Confusion is the first state to put the house in order

But who is to put the house in order?

Ekanta, observing and ordering the house

Is Ekanta different from the confusion she's trying to correct? To# 69.

Last edited by bruce sean (2012-04-11 15:00:38)

snguyen wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

snguyen wrote:

OK, when you don't know you are doing, you just do, without pretension. The rain does not ask why it rains.

Who's forcing whom? You didn't answer that.

  Who's pretending what? You asked a question, which was answered, that is not pretention. But because another answer was expected, you called it pretension. In fact, I wrote a different answer at first, then deleted it: it would've been pretension to say this mind doesn't ask that question, and the only thing it knows is that is not 'not-free'.

  Because freedom exists, why pretend it doesn't?

Not at all. Not at all. One is not concerned at all if whatever one is doing is right, without looking back, without carrying along. It is just right. That is free.

So, are we free from all those, and have a no direction conversation?
You said in total freedom from begining, there is new learning, is it right?

Yes, a total freedom a new learning

all right. time is up for a walk. You see bruce, if you talk with me and we find no problems, then where does the talk go? It goes outside for a walk of enjoyment. Without problems, where are we?