KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

RJ wrote:

…this is all well understood
I want to gloss over it to show that I accept your point and am willing to extrapolate it to any length.

Excellent

RJ wrote:

…what about what cannot be discussed?

My easy suggestion is, we will never do it saving that way our life energy which we can be able to invest into efficient direction.

RJ wrote:

… what is that which endures, forever?
that does not dissipate?
are we here to discuss the nature of life, our life, our way?

We cannot surely discus ‘the nature of life’ because the whole life might be much more immense than our human consciousness and imagination can contain.
If we start that discussion, ‘it will always (and quickly) reach an unsatisfactory limit’. Our forum is most flagrant example supporting this statement.

But we surely can watch and discuss our human life, our inner world just because, despite the seemingly differences between you and me, ‘we are not clones of each other’, indeed, but eventually, we are functioning on the same principles.

And the principle of producing illusions, naïve and wrong imaginations and projections might turn out to be the most important of all.

RJ wrote:

but so what?

what of 'the Mother' of it all?
where does she fit?

That’s the target I’m trying to approach to. Thanks for cooperation.
I’m going to summarize all that and make a practically important point.
Don’t expect the absolute truth from me written down ready, but, anyway, we might see what we can do and what we cannot.

Last edited by natura (2012-03-20 18:52:01)

Yeah, and there are pools of it out there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfcJUl39iiA

well that's a mean one..
yes i understand why you have such a reminder next to the computer.

natura wrote:

kirsten wrote:

well that's a mean one..
yes i understand why you have such a reminder next to the computer.

Part of human life, anyway.

In fact, most important one, isn’t it?

Disgusting, is it not? Fearful, is it not?

Unavoidable, is it?

it's bloody well avoidable in New Zealand
no snakes here, zero, nada!

everything is good

natura wrote:

joe wrote:

natura wrote:

If we see all that mentioned above, we can conclude that all words, independent positive or negative feelings they are bearing and stirring up, they all demand energy and all are connected with negative feeling eventually.

when you say that all words are connected with negative feeling eventually, is it also so that it is connected with positive feeling as well?  Just making sure I am understanding your meaning, thanks natura.

You grasped the very point, joe.

Yes, it’s about permanent dissipating of energy which eventually leads in the time to negative feeling, suffering and as consequence to the necessity to maintain the positive feelings investing permanently new energy.

There is no balance of positive and negative feelings in human life, but the negative is naturally always in advantage.

If we have a precise look at that in our inner world we might be able to see that phenomenon right know in our life without living for centauries or millenniums waiting that understanding.

Observing practically all what is being said above or just looking into ourselves we might notice that among all the thoughts made of words, filings and pictures there is always some feeling inside of me what makes me uneasy and sometimes it could be much more than just that, but properly be painful, poignant, agonizing.
This ‘something’ is actually the same one ill weed which mars a whole pot of our life’s pottage, isn’t it?
I suppose many of us know what unbearable pain is and not only physical but also mental like deep depression or experiencing of losing something which has been thinking as a valuable (especially a loss of relative people).

If we accept the life like that – we will live that way. After work we will go to a pub, a party, to watch TV, to public activities etc. in short, do everything what promise pleasure and is hiding that ‘something’ which is unwelcome in my inner world.
But if we don’t want to accept it – we have to take that phenomenon on the scrutiny, to sort out what’s up. Why should I live in that eternal running from something unpleasant which is permanently driving me to seek something better?

But to sort out the things I have to deal with them; with them all, not only a part of them, isn’t it? It’s quite inevitable.
But now, how we got used to deal with unpleasant things?
Isn’t the root of any addiction that we cannot stay against that drive which sends us to seek satisfaction?
If you are addicted to drugs – you will sell all your possessions and get them. If you are addicted to tobacco – you will bay and smoke it.  Same with alcohol and uncountable number of other addictions.

That’s actually the reason why meditation of Krishnamurti is so hard to be understood. The hardest thing to understand is the one which you don’t want to understand, isn’t it?
Krishnamurti insists to look at everything what is without exception, but that… that includes the unpleasant point, the place of pain, suffering; one or maybe two or even more inside myself.
Do we like it? Do we want to watch them or we prefer to produce them, pile them up and die with them?
Aren’t we addictive to painkillers, drugs, coffee and whatever supposed to make our mind dull in order not to be sensitive to any pain or whatever makes my mood bad?

Can we take a risk to see my life not happy enough?

Last edited by natura (2012-04-08 21:26:00)

Trying to get others to see that they are escaping is a good escape from seeing the confusion and escape that is you and ofcourse just another one of the addictions of the human brain.

I agree, folks ;-)

Well, it was a very nice post (#310) anyway, amigo  :-)

REALLY? Is that how you read that image?

To me, she or he has an insightful, whimsical grin.

What makes you think so, oh Great Seer?  ;-)

There's no psychological child, Great One   - it's just imagination. The avatar represents the goofy in all of us, even TREE.

Last edited by beans (2012-04-09 19:20:48)

OK, dear-friend-who-won't-respond-to-poking-except-seriously....

My secret? I don't know about that. There's understanding, enjoyment of life (when it's enjoyable) including sensory stuff and imagination...then there are those addictions and suffering that you spoke so well about.

What else ya got?