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beans · 2012-03-31 17:01:36

night wrote:
beans wrote:
night wrote:
You'd make a good trapper.
still writing books, night...
No, gathering material for now.

You know what they say about the rolling stone.

night · 2012-03-31 17:06:05

beans wrote:
night wrote:
beans wrote:

still writing books, night...
No, gathering material for now.
You know what they say about the rolling stone.

Indeed.

RJ · 2012-03-31 17:29:05

night wrote:
RJ wrote:
marvellous how people so enthusiastically walk through the doors that are opened for them.
You'd make a good trapper.

that's a kind way of describing one of my more diabolical tendencies monsieur Night

RJ · 2012-03-31 17:31:36

beans wrote:
RJ wrote:
you are part of what you observe and you are your body

if your relationships are fraught, argumentative, rancorous (which they visibly are) then yes, you come to harm, physically is no different from mentally, emotionally, every cell communicates it's being as one with another.

so lovers quarrel, and we need to do it because God knows it is hard to love someone and to be loved and the pain of that re-broken heart can hurt like a mother-fucker

so you have to be broken to become whole

(the first step is to know that you are broken and that, yes, I am in harm's way, still)

'if my mind is modest I walk the great way
arrogance is all I fear'
L>T

I fear you are arrogant Beans. that you will take what I have written just now and again flail about trying to find a way to hurt me with it, you will fail with this as you have every other time, but you will always succeed in sucking the life out of any open or heartfelt conversation to which you bring cynicism...

so, will I teach you humility?
ha!
never.

will you nevetheless be shown that way in the end?
yeah
you can bet your life on it.
Oh Lolly, you really can't see this is all you, can you? You, teach? First you must understand yourself, RJ ... the projection about arrogance would be a good starting place. (Take a gander at your last two paragraphs if you need any examples.)

The "thought of RJ" that you think you are becomes clearer....

P.S. You are not your body, it's a standard mistake.

;-)

which part of 'you' does your body exclude?

My God you are a condescending person to be talked to by, do you actually have any people in your life you feel equality with?

RJ · 2012-03-31 17:34:30

joe wrote:
RJ wrote:
joe wrote:

as decisions go, sure, but that is not what I said.
then enlighten me Joe, move from one-line first gear into connected-sentence second.
if someone misunderstands or misinterprets me then the onus of responsibility to show them the error of their ways rests with me, not with them.
so we can only be safe if we are silent

I understood you were speaking to the topic of the thread
that you dispute it's very premise
that you going to 'it' or 'it' coming to you is... a tenacious illusion of decision... when in fact...
(insert yourself here)

...so I say that you also make a choice not to choose, even as you agnostically hammer those nails into their precisely proper places
So you understand I was speaking to the thread but you want me to say more...see, you know what I mean already, so why say more? The illusion of choice is everywhere RJ, every waking moment feeds into it. Your topic title, to me, is really not accurate. There is no it as a separate entity, therefore going to it or it coming to you makes no sense to me. Do you see what I mean? I do not choose where to put the nail, the work shows where it is to go. If I did not have the experience I do then the nail might seem like it could go anywhere.

why make 'it' a separate entity?
but equally why assume that we are 'all that'?

and what did you think was there before the birth of everything, including the right place to put the nails?

even better, ignore those tautological questions but tell me what you think when I ask you
for you, what remains the greatest mystery?

joe · 2012-03-31 18:10:47

what remains the greatest mystery is--what is the great mystery, thanks for asking.

joe · 2012-03-31 18:12:27

you see, perhaps, that you asked to tell you what I thought when asked the question, and I just did. That is two lines, do you see what I mean?

beans · 2012-03-31 18:12:40

Lol...

RJ · 2012-03-31 18:19:50

joe wrote:
you see, perhaps, that you asked to tell you what I thought when asked the question, and I just did. That is two lines, do you see what I mean?

I hear you and I want you to know that, however it will soon pass, I feel disrespected by the way you are talking to me.

you may only mean to be light, humorous and I am just not 'feeling' you, hence the feedback.

beans · 2012-03-31 18:21:49

RJ wrote:
beans wrote:
RJ wrote:
you are part of what you observe and you are your body

if your relationships are fraught, argumentative, rancorous (which they visibly are) then yes, you come to harm, physically is no different from mentally, emotionally, every cell communicates it's being as one with another.

so lovers quarrel, and we need to do it because God knows it is hard to love someone and to be loved and the pain of that re-broken heart can hurt like a mother-fucker

so you have to be broken to become whole

(the first step is to know that you are broken and that, yes, I am in harm's way, still)

'if my mind is modest I walk the great way
arrogance is all I fear'
L>T

I fear you are arrogant Beans. that you will take what I have written just now and again flail about trying to find a way to hurt me with it, you will fail with this as you have every other time, but you will always succeed in sucking the life out of any open or heartfelt conversation to which you bring cynicism...

so, will I teach you humility?
ha!
never.

will you nevetheless be shown that way in the end?
yeah
you can bet your life on it.
Oh Lolly, you really can't see this is all you, can you? You, teach? First you must understand yourself, RJ ... the projection about arrogance would be a good starting place. (Take a gander at your last two paragraphs if you need any examples.)

The "thought of RJ" that you think you are becomes clearer....

P.S. You are not your body, it's a standard mistake.

;-)
which part of 'you' does your body exclude?

My God you are a condescending person to be talked to by, do you actually have any people in your life you feel equality with?

There is nothing on the forum that can harm the physical body. The reactions may affect the state of mind, harming the body – but the forum is not a direct cause. It is the ego which, if we’re protecting or building it, we don’t want to be hurt.

And still the body is no more "you" than the keyboard.

RJ, you see arrogance and condescension - and I see the same about you. Do you honestly not see it in your posts above?

RJ · 2012-03-31 18:27:32

I fully accept that I have oodles of arrogance in me and that I frequently act in a condescending way towards others. These are not my worse faults, just some of the more visible ones.

how 'bout you bitch?

kirsten · 2012-03-31 18:31:10

give him the sign beans

beans · 2012-03-31 18:31:31

Well, see, that's the funny thing. In many relationships, people tend to bring me their personal problems, especially at work. I'm sure it has to do with conditioning...but you asked.

Do I get annoyed occasionally and react? Yes, of course, but 99% of the times here when you've thought I am reacting with outrage etc, I'm laughing my ass off...

beans · 2012-03-31 18:32:31

kirsten wrote:
give him the sign beans

I'm chalking up the foul mouth to ill breeding. You know how conditioning is...

RJ · 2012-03-31 18:35:01

kirsten wrote:
give him the sign beans

I wish she would, but see what happens instead...

beans · 2012-03-31 18:37:55

RJ wrote:
kirsten wrote:
give him the sign beans
I wish she would, but see what happens instead...

Now do you see what you just said, RJ? There is disappointment because there was no reaction, just more of beans as is...

RJ · 2012-03-31 18:40:38

beans wrote:
Well, see, that's the funny thing. In many relationships, people tend to bring me their personal problems, especially at work. I'm sure it has to do with conditioning...but you asked.

Do I get annoyed occasionally and react? Yes, of course, but 99% of the times here when you've thought I am reacting with outrage etc, I'm laughing my ass off...

you set yourself up as having the answers then, believe me, people will come to you with their problems. Each side holds up the other of that one.

no I don't see outrage and haven't said so, I see fraudulence and self-delusion, still.

I think that's all.

beans · 2012-03-31 18:44:36

RJ wrote:
beans wrote:
Well, see, that's the funny thing. In many relationships, people tend to bring me their personal problems, especially at work. I'm sure it has to do with conditioning...but you asked.

Do I get annoyed occasionally and react? Yes, of course, but 99% of the times here when you've thought I am reacting with outrage etc, I'm laughing my ass off...
you set yourself up as having the answers then, believe me, people will come to you with their problems. Each side holds up the other of that one.

no I don't see outrage and haven't said so, I see fraudulence and self-delusion, still.

I think that's all.

Not at all on setting myself up as having the answers, in fact I've annoyed a few people by turning them away, or telling them something they don't want to hear.

Well, RJ...wishful thinking on the fraudulence and self-delusion...why do you suppose that is.

Good night.

beans · 2012-03-31 18:49:04

Well, actually I think you once imagined that your posts were raising my blood pressure or causing stress...something along those lines, but not all that interested.

RJ · 2012-03-31 18:51:37

beans wrote:
Well, actually I think you once imagined that your posts were raising my blood pressure or causing stress...something along those lines, but not all that interested.

what a nonsense! the delusion spreads beyond yourself...!

beans · 2012-03-31 18:52:54

OK, Rolly Jollies ... enjoy that imagination ...

RJ · 2012-03-31 18:57:56

sleep little sister
go to the dark and low places
and you will see me grinning back at you

(I do not hold any weapons)

joe · 2012-03-31 19:16:25

RJ wrote:
joe wrote:
you see, perhaps, that you asked to tell you what I thought when asked the question, and I just did. That is two lines, do you see what I mean?
I hear you and I want you to know that, however it will soon pass, I feel disrespected by the way you are talking to me.

you may only mean to be light, humorous and I am just not 'feeling' you, hence the feedback.

I can do nothing for how you take what is written, really, that is always our own game. I can tell you I am not just trying to be light and humorous, I am honestly answering the question you posed. You asked what is the greatest mystery for me and so I looked and found myself looking for what it is, and that was the answer.

kirsten · 2012-03-31 19:16:33

kirsten · 2012-03-31 19:26:02

hmm.. i better get outta here but i cannot go

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