KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

beans wrote:

K meditation is one thing, which is simply being present to what is. But different states are not always compatible with work, such as the one you described above this way: "The more I go into it, the fever makes me talk in confusion." So do you go into this state at work?

To answer your question, yes, and sometimes at work I am aware or aware on and off for extended periods, but more so when not at work.

Aware on and off is no awareness at all, wake up.

beans wrote:

K meditation is one thing, which is simply being present to what is. But different states are not always compatible with work, such as the one you described above this way: "The more I go into it, the fever makes me talk in confusion." So do you go into this state at work?

To answer your question, yes, and sometimes at work I am aware or aware on and off for extended periods, but more so when not at work.

Not when I am working. A state of energy comes usually a little after I get up in the morning. When I come to my cubicle desktop to answer posts or write, before work in morning, I start to compile the writing slowly out of the gathering energy, the sense of energized silent space, the open sky and the giant trees outside the big windows and with the express of energy I write. When I don’t have this energy and silence, the state, I don’t feel what I will write is true; just mere knowledge or memory are dead words. And of course sometimes the energy is burning, a confusion for words to describe. Many messages when I wrote them, they meant very much to me in terms of expressing the energy. Later sometimes I re-read them, I feel they are just dead words. So when others read them, they may not mean anything much at all.

beans wrote:

pearl wrote:

Aware on and off is no awareness at all, wake up.

It's exactly how it works in reality (not according to the brochures), my friend.

What you call reality is also illusion.

beans wrote:

pearl wrote:

beans wrote:

It's exactly how it works in reality (not according to the brochures), my friend.

What you call reality is also illusion.

What each of us calls reality is sometimes very clearly seen without illusion, and at times there may also be illusion.

Each of us has to be honest with ourselves if to understand...

In other words the coming and going of illusion only means you have never seen the illusion for what it is.  So as long as it is not seen in it's totality, the illusion/fear persists, or rather the illusion that is you must inevitably persist. And a mind trapped in illusion can it see anything clearly?  Certainly, not.

Stop hoping and start looking.  the only one who is trapped in the self image is you and from there you project your images, fears on ot others this on to every other.  So stop pretendeing you have no self image if you want to be honest or else the honesty you point to is really simply more talk about "honesty" to show potrya an image of you being honest and so on when you are infact just the opposite.

beans wrote:

pearl wrote:

Stop hoping and start looking.  the only one who is trapped in the self image is you and from there you project your images, fears on ot others this on to every other.  So stop pretendeing you have no self image if you want to be honest or else the honesty you point to is really simply more talk about "honesty" to show potrya an image of you being honest and so on when you are infact just the opposite.

Oh, posh.

beans is so busy talking about self image in almost every post as though it was something apart from her that she is oblivious to the self image that is being nurtured in the shadows...the pop queen of self-image...oops!

beans wrote:

pearl wrote:

beans is so busy talking about self image in almost every post as though it was something apart from her that she is oblivious to the self image that is being nurtured in the shadows...the pop queen of self-image...oops!

Nope - double oops!

My flirty friend, if you think you can show me a self-image that is present right now, feel free.

It is very obvious even though you think nobody can see it just becasue you make sure you hide it well.  So just stop pretending it is not there.  And interesting, that for someone who often talks about the self image of others you completely avoid to see the self image you have of yourself.  I mean can anyone get more pretensious, self evasive than that?

beans wrote:

pearl wrote:

It is very obvious even though you think nobody can see it just becasue you make sure you hide it well.  So just stop pretending it is not there.  And interesting, that for someone who often talks about the self image of others you completely avoid to see the self image you have of yourself.  I mean can anyone get more pretensious, self evasive than that?

Where's the evidence?
See, pearl, I look and there is no self-image. When I look the idea seems kinda funny. Not that other times there isn't a self-image, just like there is for you, as plain as day.
But now, nada.

Since you ask for evidence, your every post is an evidence although you're not aware of it and or totally denying it.  And your self image of you as 'having no image of yourself' prevents you from looking at the self image that is you.  To me it is as evident as a plain day but itseems you prefer to deny it and only find it in others...hmm.  One thing is certain that a denial such as this shows no evidence of a self aware individual.

beans wrote:

pearl wrote:

Since you ask for evidence, your every post is an evidence although you're not aware of it and or totally denying it.  And your self image of you as 'having no image of yourself' prevents you from looking at the self image that is you.  To me it is as evident as a plain day but itseems you prefer to deny it and only find it in others...hmm.  One thing is certain that a denial such as this shows no evidence of a self aware individual.

Well, this is just more of the same opinion. I asked for evidence, mon amie.

I gave you the evidence, but you're denying it.  You prefer the image of yourself as "having no self image", and I mean there is no more dishonesty than that.  Well, I do understand that, that is what you'd like yourself to be, but that is not what is, it is only what you think 'should be'.

pearl wrote:

beans wrote:

pearl wrote:

Since you ask for evidence, your every post is an evidence although you're not aware of it and or totally denying it.  And your self image of you as 'having no image of yourself' prevents you from looking at the self image that is you.  To me it is as evident as a plain day but itseems you prefer to deny it and only find it in others...hmm.  One thing is certain that a denial such as this shows no evidence of a self aware individual.

Well, this is just more of the same opinion. I asked for evidence, mon amie.

I gave you the evidence, but you're denying it.  You prefer the image of yourself as "having no self image", and I mean there is no more dishonesty than that.  Well, I do understand that, that is what you'd like yourself to be, but that is not what is, it is only what you think 'should be'.

No, pearl, you haven't given me one iota of evidence, cold hard fact that there is ego in operation. I wonder why?

snguyen wrote:

beans wrote:

The words represented what you were perceiving at the time you wrote them, so how could they no longer have meaning later on? It would seem to mean an altered perception. Were the facts actually different from the time of writing to the time of rereading them?

They still have the meaning and when I talk out of direct seeing, they tend less self contradictory, and if they are wrong they tend to be wrong together. What I feel missing more and more is the absence of energy, living energy in reading written texts. Lately I feel I am more into energy and silence. For example, I feel lack of 'truth' when reading K now, but a while ago his talks seemed like immediate truths to me.

Altered perception? I feel that perception that fits a description in words, on time, memory, fear, hurt... do not alter but the mind state is awake to each of them at diffent times. That is how we write or open particular topics. Right now, this minute for example, I don't feel very strong about time, but something else that has no topic. Very complex, highly complex, subtle is the mind.

Sometimes things seem  blasé  to me too. But usually when I'm realizing I'm not going to find what I'm looking for.  Which means I'm looking for something.

when we turn and face the wind it whips through us and goes on its way...it is what wind does.