KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

What the heck are you talking about, no clue!  Looks like you're suffering from a mental illness and speaking incoherently.  No connection to what I shared at all.

Not a single thing you and I see the same? What's the obsession about following pearl, huh?

pearl wrote:

Not a single thing you and I see the same? What's the obsession about following pearl, huh?

I'm finding it rather boring at the moment as you just repeat the same stuff over and over again.  Your posts today are the same as they were 7 years ago, and probably 7 years from now you will be in here still analyzing the majority, pointing out how dull they are and how unconscious they are, as you have been since day one.  You don't seem to grow tired of repeating it over and over, in fact you seem to be just getting warmed up.

Eden wrote:

pearl wrote:

Not a single thing you and I see the same? What's the obsession about following pearl, huh?

I'm finding it rather boring at the moment as you just repeat the same stuff over and over again.  Your posts today are the same as they were 7 years ago, and probably 7 years from now you will be in here still analyzing the majority, pointing out how dull they are and how unconscious they are, as you have been since day one.  You don't seem to grow tired of repeating it over and over, in fact you seem to be just getting warmed up.

So quit stalking me you creep, and go get a life.  You're the most ignoratn fellow I've ever met.  I don't know what kind of a shallow, dull, uncreative life you live that you keep stalking people and trying to convince them of the nonsense you spout, same nonsense over and over.  Move on.

ok move on.  how I see, what I write on this forum is none of your buisiness and you have no control.

pearl wrote:

ok move on.  how I see, what I write on this forum is none of your buisiness and you have no control.

I could careless what you write in here.  You are the one who is trying to control what I write and whom I address...claiming that my addressing certain posters here is "stalking".  Telling me to "move on" etc.  I have never said anything like that to you ever.  So who is really the "controlling" one here? Wanna take a vote?

Eden wrote:

pearl wrote:

ok move on.  how I see, what I write on this forum is none of your buisiness and you have no control.

I could careless what you write in here.  You are the one who is trying to control what I write and whom I address...claiming that my addressing certain posters here is "stalking".  Telling me to "move on" etc.  I have never said anything like that to you ever.  So who is really the "controlling" one here? Wanna take a vote?

Yep, better move on!  Don't you get it?  People are not your personal property to stalk, to follow 'em obsessively esp when someone has made it clear that you should simply move on, and that's for your own good.  If you insist on pursuing pearl for what ever personal reason agendas then do it, but you won't have any responses from me here on.

But why the heck are you telling me all this???   What rubbish you are spouting?  makes me laugh really how much you are invested into what I say and how I see and whom I talk to, like as though you were my husband or some big daddy not seeing that you're just a guy on the internet whom I've never met, or had any kind of contact whatsoever!
Btw, I don't follow you or anyone and will write and say exactly how I see.  If what I write here doesn't feel good to your ears, it's your problem.  So save your energy and find someone else here who will benefit from your stupid advice.   Goodbye.

Complete freedom is to see the utter uselessness of all what you do, say and act and you have to discover this falseness for yourself, and it's not a depressing thing as you think, but a thing of utter beauty and honesty, and only then you are completely free and something totally New can come into existence.  But so far you have not seen all of this and so the same problems persist, control, virtue, morality, suppression, demand, security is the way of  life and from this illusion you try to eastablish relationship.  But can what is not whole have a relationship to that which is whole?  Absolutely not.

hermann wrote:

Tom wrote:

So perhaps our central psychological problem is something fundamentally very simple: we want to chew over a problem. We want to feel it is something we should work at, resolve and then reap the benefit for having done all of this work. But the truth is that any psychological problem however big or small cannot be handled with words, formulated through concepts, approached and dealt with by anything intellectual. A psychological problem can be seen and finished with, but that's it; that's all there is to it. There is no residual reward, no bonus, no gratification. And yet it seems we want to keep hold of all that side of it; we don't really want to end our problems at all.

Yes, I think we're hooked on that 'residual reward', on the rigmarole of reason and explanation, the noise surrounding the issue. But saying that sort of thing implies that I can see past all that.

No, one can't see past all that; one can only invent a lot of things that one hopes or fears may lie beyond all that. So you can't see past it. And looking to see past it is what we tend to do. We don't seem interested in the first step: just to see all that - but not to see past it.

pearl wrote:

So save your energy and find someone else here who will benefit from your stupid advice.

Thanks for the advice.

awareness wrote:

Tom wrote:

But is there a known at all? What we call the known is merely the half-known, the assumed, the hoped for, the believed in, the invented and so on. Psychologically, actually, what is known?

Indeed. That's a good point. Seeing is the doing. Simple. We are not seeing the tree because of the forest.

So the ending of the known is not something that takes time. Death is not next year or next week; death is now. And death is a limitless quality.

Tom wrote:

awareness wrote:

Tom wrote:

But is there a known at all? What we call the known is merely the half-known, the assumed, the hoped for, the believed in, the invented and so on. Psychologically, actually, what is known?

Indeed. That's a good point. Seeing is the doing. Simple. We are not seeing the tree because of the forest.

So the ending of the known is not something that takes time. Death is not next year or next week; death is now. And death is a limitless quality.

I am here exactly with you, Tom. So the "afraid of" is gone. There is nothing more to be said, thanks for the conversation, Sir.