KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

beans wrote:

tree wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

With truth

you'd be funny if you were not so pathetic

Stumpy wrote "it appears that all you see are obstructions, no freedom in what you say"

beans, you have all the insight of a file cabinet

bean well

night wrote:

natura wrote:

night wrote:

As for doing 'nothing', yes surely that is possible,

Extremely curious to learn much more about that; even if all others descriptions, explanations, arguments etc., would be cut till close to zero.

You could kill yourself, get rid of your body and mind. But then there is no guarantee about what's on the other side. So you want to quieten them, right?

Look, night,
first you make a statement that you are able to get rid of your mind killing the body and then you say there is no guarantee on the other side.
If you don’t know exactly what is on the other side why do you state you are losing your mind after killing your body? You see it’s a contradiction, isn’t it.
You are making so easy the question of all the religious questions, if there is something after death of body.

Well, don’t let kill ourselves, rather find out the matter about silence which you think is similar with ‘doing nothing’, I suppose. I’m I right?

So, can you be completely silent?
If you stop talking you see inner pictures and perceive inner voices, talking, arguing, right?

So can you stop all that?

night wrote:

natura wrote:

night wrote:

You could kill yourself, get rid of your body and mind. But then there is no guarantee about what's on the other side. So you want to quieten them, right?

Look, night,
first you make a statement that you are able to get rid of your mind killing the body and then you say there is no guarantee on the other side.
If you don’t know exactly what is on the other side why do you state you are losing your mind after killing your body? You see it’s a contradiction, isn’t it.
You are making so easy the question of all the religious questions, if there is something after death of body.

Well, don’t let kill ourselves, rather find out the matter about silence which you think is similar with ‘doing nothing’, I suppose. I’m I right?

So, can you be completely silent?
If you stop talking you see inner pictures and perceive inner voices, talking, arguing, right?

So can you stop all that?

Let me see if I can clarify. For me living is about being in the middle of the storm and stay with it. Not seeking the storm. Not avoiding the storm. Just be with it when the storm arrives. Silently stay with the storm. Now it seems to me you are seeking silence and trying to avoid the storm. To use an analogy, you seem to seek a smooth breeze, or even no breeze at all, and do not like the turbulence. That's all I was asking.

So to answer you question: one can be totally silent by being totally with the storm in the present. The storm may stop or still continue. You don't know. Yet there is a quality of silence there. Living/life is the other side of silence anyway, inseparable.

Yes, I think you have made yourself perfectly clear for me. I’m several tens of years of my life in this business, not to mention previous incarnations, and can see any nuance in following you.

Still, I’m drawing your absolutely special, rivet attention to this particular point again:

You say, ‘silently stay with the storm’.

And I ask you, can you practically do that? Can you really stay silent or you just think you are silent; or you just think you have to be silent?
Do you see the subtle differences?

night wrote:

Now it seems to me you are seeking silence and trying to avoid the storm.

No, it’s not directly like that.

Those are not exactly things for verbal explanations, but say, I rather prepare my inner conditions for silence to come upon me, so I can merge into it.
Yes, I know this naughty question, who is that to prepare themselves etc., anyway.

night wrote:

To use an analogy, you seem to seek a smooth breeze, or even no breeze at all, and do not like the turbulence. That's all I was asking.

Saying ‘breeze’ you introduce the body.
Yes, the body is a significant part of that stormy ocean and you have to understand how to deal with it. That’s inevitable, otherwise no silence; you may sleep on the nail-board or in special bathtub with no gravitation – dream well, but forget the silence.

night wrote:

So to answer you question: one can be totally silent by being totally with the storm in the present. The storm may stop or still continue. You don't know.

Well, well, well, my friend. I see it differently. Actually, you have to know all about storm in yourself, however. That’s the only way to approach to silence and know if the silence has any qualities or not.

OK, I’m not provoking you to controversy. Either we see it or not.
I’m generally not very much for fruitless verbal skirmish, but my question above still remains.

Appreciate your honesty, night. It seems a very important characteristic.

beans wrote:

Appreciate your honesty, night. It seems a very important characteristic.

Honesty outside is a sign of being honest inside.
Absolutely necessary precondition for spiritual success.

People are fooling the others way to often are fooling themselves too; mostly also without even being aware of that. No chance for truth, never.

Much love to you

beans wrote:

Yes, and then once those false images are built, to maintain them uses a lot of energy.

You have touched a very hot point right now.
I’m just about to pick it up in the thread ‘Addiction’.
Would be happy to see you there too.

beans wrote:

Using that four-letter word again I notice, eh natura ;-)

There is some unexplainable magic in those four-letters that takes away the breath from the female soul, isn’t it?

…well, I know, you would never admit…

beans wrote:

natura wrote: "You have touched a very hot point right now.
I’m just about to pick it up in the thread ‘Addiction’.
Would be happy to see you there too."

I will check it out...if there's an urge to say something you'll be one of the first to know.

looking forward

natura wrote: "There is some unexplainable magic in those four-letters that takes away the breath from the female soul, isn’t it? …well, I know, you would never admit…"

beans wrote:

What happens when people start throwing the word "love" around in a sentimental way? The next thing you know, they can easily get lost in their own sentimental ideas  :-)

Don’t they yet?

beans wrote:

Watch out, you could be the next one here....

I’m watching.

beans wrote:

What happens when people start throwing the word "love" around in a sentimental way? The next thing you know, they can easily get lost in their own sentimental ideas  :-)

natura wrote:

Don’t they yet?

Yes, they do...seems it's an addiction ;-)

Beans,
less 'they'
more 'me, us and I'

if you have self-appointed yourself as 'commentator' I am here to give you the good news that your services are no longer required.

"phew" says Beans
"I was worried there for a moment, thought this job would never end"

"go, thou art free" says Tree

any more thoughts to share?

beans wrote:

beans wrote:

RJ wrote:

coming. going, commentating...
cells make more sense
divisbly

Yes, sometimes it's a good idea to take a little break from the forum.

(lolz)

Hint, hint.

To quote your pal tree - "if you can't take the heat, get outta the kitchen." Or some such.

what heat?