KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

sds wrote:

pearl wrote:

BobD wrote:

I don't have any expectations of pearl or anyone else here. I don't have a desire to change, control or teach pearl.  I don't expect pearl to agree with me, defend me, or even like me for that matter. None of you should either. And if what pearl says bothers you, it's your problem...not her's. And vice-versa.  It's really not that complicated if you can get your ego out of the way. It's as simple as: Would you rather be right or happy?

To SDS.  Do not worry.  Life doesn't depend on you or any other on this forum.  Maybe to most of you it does the reason why you never stand alone.  But if there's even one person I can talk to, it's great, if not, no darned probs! I'll still be the happiest one alive! :-))

You are just lying to yourself. I do not believe you.

Your main issue I see is that you revolt when you think you see that others are followers or are following. It just sets you off, triggers you....

Look at your own self and I would bet there is some issue going on that is not resolved about following or being a follower within yourself.

And you are about down to one or two only left in this forum according to my calculations.

It's you who suck upto people to be in their good books.  Numbers don't matter to me.  I care a damn how many are open to me here, but you do, for your whole life depends upon it.  You can never ever stand alone, for to stand alone is to have integrity.  Yuo seek approval, support, things which aren't imp to me.

pearl wrote:

To SDS.  Do not worry.  Life doesn't depend on you or any other on this forum.  Maybe to most of you it does the reason why you never stand alone.  But if there's even one person I can talk to, it's great, if not, no darned probs! I'll still be the happiest one alive! :-))

If that were true you wouldn't get your panties in a ruffle everytime someone points out your contradictions.  Maybe it's true at this moment, but just wait 10 seconds and your smiley faces will turn to venom.

Pearl wrote: "It's you who suck upto people to be in their good books.  Numbers don't matter to me.  I care a damn how many are open to me here, but you do, for your whole life depends upon it.  You can never ever stand alone, for to stand alone is to have integrity.  Yuo seek approval, support, things which aren't imp to me."

Yes Pearl, you are right in this. I suck up to people, and look for approval. I am not denying it....

sds wrote:

BobD wrote:

sds wrote:

My only question left about her is: Who is left for her to talk to?

So many of us are out, who is left?

Bob D is about the only one I can think of.....

I don't have any expectations of pearl or anyone else here. I don't have a desire to change, control or teach pearl.  I don't expect pearl to agree with me, defend me, or even like me for that matter. None of you should either. And if what pearl says bothers you, it's your problem...not her's. And vice-versa.  It's really not that complicated if you can get your ego out of the way. It's as simple as: Would you rather be right or happy?

Bob, I am not doubting anything you are saying. But the point I was addressing, was: Pearl thinks all of us, or most of us are second hand people and does not want to discuss with those like that.

So I asked then, who in the forum is left to talk to, who isnt a second hand person?

The fact is...I am a second hand person. Hell...I should have been dead so many times that I think I could rival any cat.  It doesn't bother me that pearl or anyone thinks I am a second hand person...I accepted that long ago.  It seems to me that you wouldn't be so upset with her if that wasn't the case. Not just because she said it but because it is true. And if you knew you weren't a 2nd hand person...it wouldn't bother you either. You can't blame your alledged 2nd hand nature on pearl just because that is what she called you. It either is true or it isn't.

Theres an old saying that "You will never be ok with your heaven, until you can become ok with your hell"

sds wrote:

Eden wrote:

pearl wrote:

says a deida follower to the ramana follower...

I don't follow anyone pearl, so spare me the lies.  I learn from all of life, including other bodies.  Just the other day I learned some tips on how to keep the birds from eating my papayas from an long time organic farmer who lives down the street.  Oh god, I suppose that makes me his follower.  Spare me the weak bullshit.

Anytime someone is more skilled in any area of life that I am interested in, I stay open.

Eden beautifully stated. We are seeing eye to eye on this. And it is actually what K taught too.

Guys, it's clear to me how little you understand yourselves or life, like most here.  So carry on.  Like I said you'll find plenty of those to whom you can so called relate and connect with, if it's what you want.  Good luck or what ever it is you want/wish.  :-)

pearl wrote:

sds wrote:

Eden wrote:

I don't follow anyone pearl, so spare me the lies.  I learn from all of life, including other bodies.  Just the other day I learned some tips on how to keep the birds from eating my papayas from an long time organic farmer who lives down the street.  Oh god, I suppose that makes me his follower.  Spare me the weak bullshit.

Anytime someone is more skilled in any area of life that I am interested in, I stay open.

Eden beautifully stated. We are seeing eye to eye on this. And it is actually what K taught too.

Guys, it's clear to me how little you understand yourselves or life, like most here.  So carry on.  Like I said you'll find plenty of those to whom you can so called relate and connect with, if it's what you want.  Good luck or what ever it is you want/wish.  :-)

Very sad to see. We have not made a dent in your wall.

You are so blind to your own self.

I do not know what it will take to wake you up.

Best luck on whatever you want/wish too.

sds wrote:

Bob D wrote: "The fact is...I am a second hand person. Hell...I should have been dead so many times that I think I could rival any cat.  It doesn't bother me that pearl or anyone thinks I am a second hand person...I accepted that long ago.  It seems to me that you wouldn't be so upset with her if that wasn't the case. Not just because she said it but because it is true. And if you knew you weren't a 2nd hand person...it wouldn't bother you either. You can't blame your alledged 2nd hand nature on pearl just because that is what she called you. It either is true or it isn't. "

Good posts Bob. I agree, I see that I am a second hand person. That wasnt the issue. I never denied it or defended any image otherwise.

The issue was Pearl doesnt want anything to do with second hand people on the forum. And the truth is we are all second hand people, including you and possibly including her too. I was questioning her if she was not one herself?

So start questioning her and not only questioning people like me who already see it themselves.

Why? To what end?

sds wrote:

pearl wrote:

sds wrote:

Eden beautifully stated. We are seeing eye to eye on this. And it is actually what K taught too.

Guys, it's clear to me how little you understand yourselves or life, like most here.  So carry on.  Like I said you'll find plenty of those to whom you can so called relate and connect with, if it's what you want.  Good luck or what ever it is you want/wish.  :-)

Very sad to see. We have not made a dent in your wall.

You are so blind to your own self.

I do not know what it will take to wake you up.

Best luck on whatever you want/wish too.

Now you must wake up, stop hiding behind all these fake, pretensious personas.

You're not aware of the venom you hide behind your so called polite sleves...

Bob D, obviously we are not seeing eye to eye on this. Which is totally cool. I already spelled out my thoughts clearly. And I choose to question her...

I guess you feel no need to start questioning Pearl. That is cool. Each to their own.

Take care and enjoy your discussions with her.

pearl wrote:

You're not aware of the venom you hide behind your so called polite sleves...

Quite to the contrary. I know, I am only well too aware of all the venom in me and that I spew from time to time.... It aint a pretty sight.... It is actually quite ugly what I can be

sds wrote:

Bob D, obviously we are not seeing eye to eye on this. Which is totally cool. I already spelled out my thoughts clearly. And I choose to question her...

I guess you feel no need to start questioning Pearl. That is cool. Each to their own.

Take care and enjoy your discussions with her.

No. You did not answer my question. Why? To what end?

Eden wrote:"The thing is sds, you wont find me on your side since her present perspective on you I am in agreement with.  Who I disgree with is the pearl of a few hours ago who was worshipping your integrity. Pearl appears to be totally dull one moment, and then two seconds later she sees the light.  Wait a few days and once again sds will be the most sincere man of integrity on planet earth. It's truly bizarre."

Of course, I understand, you are not on my side and agree with the current comments of Pearl towards me. I am not looking for anybody to take sides....

I highly doubt though that in a few days she will be seeing me as the most sincere man of integrity. But we shall see.

And in all truth, I really do not want that. I prefer her this way, I prefer her looking at me in this light... It is freer and more real....