KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

Don't get smart, dano.  If you want to look you can too.  when you are in pain, can you live with it, totally, completely?  But what happens is the thinker/self says, let me go dancing, I'll feel better, let me repeat some mantras, or find a therapist, or go to a temple, or go and talk to somebody who will call me on my bs, or who will admire me...  Soooo many escapes, all the same.  We can go dancing but never having touched the core of the problem.  OK let's look at it this way as you suggest, so what will happen if you decide to not do anything for a change...stop escaping, stop running away from what you are, or what Iam, then you're left to face yourself which you like most may dread, that would be the end with no where to go, no place to escape....but let's say you are not running away seeing the futility of all escapes and so and meeting life head on, then what happens?  But one needs tremendous energy to go into all this not just verbally but in reality.  And I find it's no point talking to someone who has not taken it on themselves to go so deep into the bottomless depths of their hearts and minds.

If you are living rightly, peacefully your words and actions will reveal it and it's evident neither you nor any other has thus far gone into this whole issue maybe some have and why not?  You like most only scratch the surface and from there you ask the most insipid and confused questions like the above. Like I said no point at all to talk to you, and I'm a bit surpised that somebody would even wanna have a private chat with you.  But, I'll end it here.  Carry on sir.

everyone wrote:

What ones of us  as  human beings not pathetically unhappy, not perfectly peaceful, secure in our  own insecurity,  says I am the only one of you living rightly ? Who wants to go first ?  :-)

Security in insecurity is not security; this is what beans was saying a while back.

  There is no security, period.

bruce sean wrote:

everyone wrote:

What ones of us  as  human beings not pathetically unhappy, not perfectly peaceful, secure in our  own insecurity,  says I am the only one of you living rightly ? Who wants to go first ?  :-)

Security in insecurity is not security; this is what beans was saying a while back.

  There is no security, period.

Bruce, why does it matter who said it way back when? Second, it seems everyone means this another way, and I got the impression you didn't see it way back when anyway.

When there is no security, the person is either looking for security or able to rest/trust in that insecurity.

Yes, there are many here pointing to things they don't understand themselves with re-worded K speeches.

Hey pearl. Enjoying the strangely summer-like winter, how bout you?

Yes, when there is insecurity, there is a tendency to want to escape. In all kinds of ways and depending on what that particular person happens to do to escape. Sometimes one can be present and aware of what is going on, though. Most people seem to fluctuate between the two.

OK.  When cliking on your website it leads to a page with a link and the link says andreapanzeri something, with a male pic, so the question.  Thnx for the clarification.

Ekanta and Pearl Beans, Bruce  and all I missed naming . Express freely without fear  Ekanta Yes What a Beautiful way to describe the beginning of free expression even in all the Arts in life, including dance, writing, painting, singing, and little things. Learning  the whole Art of Inquiry in life . Yes I agree with that approach to life, and living, express yourself freely in relationship with others and life even in dance, and other bodily movements in life. Express freely , in everything,  not just exercise for the body/mind but questioning, and doubting, and detecting and discerning, inquiring into  everything for yourselves.

Even questioning our own violence, or arrogance  that springs from the well of jealousy envy or fear, or a past  volatile reaction,  not truth or goodness itself. See to that  being good for its own sake, not for any recognition, or reward   like a lover of dancing in life is necessary . See the real  artist  who moves for the Love of movement, and coordination of gracefulness  itself,  not for the appreciation of  those watching which can also be nice but not necessary in life for them, because they dance also, and their heart sings when they let loose all self consciousness, and dance  or paint ,or write when they are in a crowd being watched, or all alone.  :-)

beans wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

everyone wrote:

What ones of us  as  human beings not pathetically unhappy, not perfectly peaceful, secure in our  own insecurity,  says I am the only one of you living rightly ? Who wants to go first ?  :-)

Security in insecurity is not security; this is what beans was saying a while back.

  There is no security, period.

Bruce, why does it matter who said it way back when? Second, it seems everyone means this another way, and I got the impression you didn't see it way back when anyway.

There is no security: no one can get around this.

pearl wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

pearl wrote:

Just see what inquiry is not, then in that seeing is the ending, which is the beginning.

Just words, but how does it take place? I cannot see what is not, for it's not a million things, that takes time-it's not this, it's not that, and so on.
  When is the mind inquiring?

Look at you, sir, are you inquiring?  Definitely what you are doing here is nothing close to inquiry.  You like Dano are just another propogandist on the block.  Firstly stop taking all the drugs and what not and clear your head, and then ask yourself all these questions and come back and tell me, why it is you've not begun to inquire?  Until then you can carry your private dialogues with other non inquiring minds like danos.

That's not an answer.

pearl wrote:

beans wrote:

Hey pearl. Enjoying the strangely summer-like winter, how bout you?

Yes, when there is insecurity, there is a tendency to want to escape. In all kinds of ways and depending on what that particular person happens to do to escape. Sometimes one can be present and aware of what is going on, though. Most people seem to fluctuate between the two.

Hi beans, glad you're enjoying your summery winter.  I agree with what you say and see what you mean.  Only question if being sometimes aware is awareness at all.  How do you see?  Have an absolutely fantasic day.

Yes, well it's possible to have a quick thought that one is aware or was aware throughout the day, which is only a faulty logical conclusion solely based on the fact that the senses and the body are functioning. Is this what you are saying? How would you differentiate between this thought and awareness?

Frankly, I'm glad it's the weekend. Have a good one yourself :-)

beans wrote:

pearl wrote:

beans wrote:

Hey pearl. Enjoying the strangely summer-like winter, how bout you?

Yes, when there is insecurity, there is a tendency to want to escape. In all kinds of ways and depending on what that particular person happens to do to escape. Sometimes one can be present and aware of what is going on, though. Most people seem to fluctuate between the two.

Hi beans, glad you're enjoying your summery winter.  I agree with what you say and see what you mean.  Only question if being sometimes aware is awareness at all.  How do you see?  Have an absolutely fantasic day.

Yes, well it's possible to have a quick thought that one is aware or was aware throughout the day, which is only a faulty logical conclusion solely based on the fact that the senses and the body are functioning. Is this what you are saying? How would you differentiate between this thought and awareness?

Frankly, I'm glad it's the weekend. Have a good one yourself :-)

Hi beans, it came to be seen that thought is a mechanical, repetitive process which is inattention, and thought and awareness are mutually exclusive I would add.   Awareness in which there is sense of there being someone who is being aware is also inattention.   For example when I'm aware that I am aware then I'm no longer aware.  But this doesn't mean I'm saying one cannot be aware of the inattention.  Does it make any sense to you?  How do you see?

You must be totally chilling out after a great week of work I assume.  Have a fabulous, quiet, blissful day.  Here it has begin to snow and it's simply breath taking.  Does it also snow where you live beans?

Ekanta wrote:

everyone wrote:

Ekanta and Pearl Beans, Bruce  and all I missed naming . Express freely without fear  Ekanta Yes What a Beautiful way to describe the beginning of free expression even in all the Arts in life, including dance, writing, painting, singing, and little things. Learning  the whole Art of Inquiry in life . Yes I agree with that approach to life, and living, express yourself freely in relationship with others and life even in dance, and other bodily movements in life. Express freely , in everything,  not just exercise for the body/mind but questioning, and doubting, and detecting and discerning, inquiring into  everything for yourselves.

Even questioning our own violence, or arrogance  that springs from the well of jealousy envy or fear, or a past  volatile reaction,  not truth or goodness itself. See to that  being good for its own sake, not for any recognition, or reward   like a lover of dancing in life is necessary . See the real  artist  who moves for the Love of movement, and coordination of gracefulness  itself,  not for the appreciation of  those watching which can also be nice but not necessary in life for them, because they dance also, and their heart sings when they let loose all self consciousness, and dance  or paint ,or write when they are in a crowd being watched, or all alone.  :-)

Thankyou..this is so beautiful...the best quote so far...
Thank you....

Awww, how sweeet.  Can we have our dear Dano do a waltz with the sweet and beautiful Ekanta.  :-)