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You guys are sicker than I thought. Really, this place is creepy and filled with egos of enormous proportions. Sick, sick, and more sick you guys are. UGH....

Eden wrote:

RJ wrote:

Eden wrote:

Are you on any sort of meds?

I was wondering when you would come back for another scrap
I can see you have been getting absolutely nowhere with anyone else for a while
and I can see the kind of 'edge' you seem to need

you sure you want a round 2?
I felt you were a bit, how can I put it nicely, weak, Eden

lots of froth, no substance.
hey, the Surfer way...

it was a simple yes or no question. I'll take your reply as a "hell yes".

no mate, I'm clean
how's your liver?

night wrote:

natura wrote:

night wrote:

The only question that matters it seems to me is whether your addiction or habit or boredom is creating suffering around you. If not, then inner talk all you want, there is no problem really.

Real pleasure to see a layout like that. No prepared answers, just outlook to watch.

Suffering – another and most powerful element of all in our seemingly complex system to deal with.

Just preliminary, might be useful; fear is just a sort of suffering, isn’t it?

When we are feeling fear we suffer. It’s common for all of us, just universal, right?

Same with the boredom. It might take a form of depression and be just unbearable suffering.

So, suffering can show up inside of man in different forms which actually have the same root.

What is the role of addiction or habit to inner speaking?

How can we find out this intercorrelation?

Can we make it in the way of very intensive thinking about it, looking for as much as possible information about it from most wise sources or people (like Krishnamurti, Bruce or myself – just for example) or we might have some special tool useful for us to make it on our own?

Well, it is still an excellent question whether this addiction is harmful for a human being or it’s just natural, inherited quality of all people living.

But I think it could be the next step.
Firstly I was about to put up that simple question without any estimation. I just repeat it:

Are we noticing that we are living in permanent taking to ourselves inwardly?
Do we see that this addiction exists?

Inner talking, which is repeating one's thought to oneself, stems from the need to feel that one exists. Like pinching yourself constantly: am i here, am i here?

It only matters if you see, because it bothers you now. But for some it is not yet unbearable so they wont care: save your breath.

These are pretty deep things you are saying. I hope they are your personal observations also and not only knowledge from some sources other than yourself.

You mean to say, looking at that process is the matter of human’s existence and they come up with this question only when their existence becomes unbearable, otherwise they don’t care.

Well, some of reactions in this thread alone confirm perfectly what you are saying.

I think we definitely will save our breath on those people.

On the other hand, I know there are many people in the world living with deep dissatisfaction and looking seriously for answers to essential life questions and being ready to invest their resources into that.

So, what do you think attracts people to Krishnamurti Teaching if they are not sick, hungry or in some other kind of distress? What they are doing on Krishnamurti forum?

natura wrote:

sds wrote:

Natura, I did not forget you. I just do not understand your questions in this post. Can you try to rephrase them and work with me a little. Are you saying something like "I cannot get K as long as my head is full of .........  " Help me to understand, I just am not following you. Thanks.

Alright, I got your feedback, will do my best.

First I’m not trying to say you what is in your head, whether it is full of something or not. It’s your own head, heart and body and you and only you might know better than anyone else what is in there.

My question is very easy. Can you have a closer look at yourself and see what is inside?

Maybe you are different, but as much as we know human nature, we mostly have permanent inner talking, inner voices which we cannot stop by our will.

First of all I’m trying to find people who are able to see that in themselves and then some further questions come up from the responses like what we can do about that, are this inner processes harmless or they are pernicious and maybe some others.
Also the question has showed up if we want to see and know at all what inner silence is, i.e. what our inner space looks like without those voices.

The notion of silence is common thing in Krishnamurti Teaching and if we don’t want from some reason to see it on our own, there is no point to waste our time reading it.

Yes, there is a voice in my head that is always talking or always there. Eckhart Tolle also talks about this voice in his Power of Now book if I remember correctly.

Yes, I am no different than the rest of humanity in this regard. The voice is there and always chattering away, talking. But I do not think it is a problem or needs to be gotten rid of, as far as I know. I kindda like this voice in my head.

So to your first question, I am not so sure this voice is harmful or needs to be gotten rid of.

You seem to be suggesting that this voice has to disappear for there to be inner silence.

Then you make a pretty interesting statement to conclude, that the notion of silence is the common thing in the K teaching. Very interesting. Silence and space I would say. Looking forward to your response and further elucidation.

sds wrote:

You guys are sicker than I thought. Really, this place is creepy and filled with egos of enormous proportions. Sick, sick, and more sick you guys are. UGH....

lol. Welcome to the real world. Think Dorothy would say "We aren't in Kansas anymore, Toto"  Really Opie...what did you think you were going to find here? You seem like a decent enough chap but you gotta pull your head out of your ass son. This is war. But only if you think it is. And that which is going on in your head is exactly whats going on here.

Creepy here? Then its creepy in your head. What you see is what you project, and the beauty of it is...It's only a frikkin movie! lol. Theres really NOTHING going on here. lol. Stop missing the point.  Stop taking yourself and your quest for enlightenment seriously. Or not. Do you hear me? Y O U  A R E  M I S S I N G  T H E  P O I N T.  Either that or I'm a raging lunatic. Itsy, bitsy spider went up the spider wall....OK. I'm done. Off to work I go.  Later kiddies.

natura wrote:

sds wrote:

natura wrote:

Alright, I got your feedback, will do my best.

First I’m not trying to say you what is in your head, whether it is full of something or not. It’s your own head, heart and body and you and only you might know better than anyone else what is in there.

My question is very easy. Can you have a closer look at yourself and see what is inside?

Maybe you are different, but as much as we know human nature, we mostly have permanent inner talking, inner voices which we cannot stop by our will.

First of all I’m trying to find people who are able to see that in themselves and then some further questions come up from the responses like what we can do about that, are this inner processes harmless or they are pernicious and maybe some others.
Also the question has showed up if we want to see and know at all what inner silence is, i.e. what our inner space looks like without those voices.

The notion of silence is common thing in Krishnamurti Teaching and if we don’t want from some reason to see it on our own, there is no point to waste our time reading it.

Yes, there is a voice in my head that is always talking or always there. Eckhart Tolle also talks about this voice in his Power of Now book if I remember correctly.

Yes, I am no different than the rest of humanity in this regard. The voice is there and always chattering away, talking. But I do not think it is a problem or needs to be gotten rid of, as far as I know. I kindda like this voice in my head.

So to your first question, I am not so sure this voice is harmful or needs to be gotten rid of.

You seem to be suggesting that this voice has to disappear for there to be inner silence.

Then you make a pretty interesting statement to conclude, that the notion of silence is the common thing in the K teaching. Very interesting. Silence and space I would say. Looking forward to your response and further elucidation.

Very well, I’m gonna make summarizing to our first step very soon and we can proceed with the next appropriate question.

I think we are ripe enough for that.

Just remember, we have to take information not from Tolle or anyone else, not even from Krishnamurti, but exclusively from ourselves. We have to see what we are talking about and know that from the first hand.

I don’t want sharing of opinions, arguing and trying to convince each other of anything; I rather want common visions of the things.
If you see the voices and noise in your head and you tell me that, I’m looking in my head and tell you, yes, I see the same and know what you are talking about. If I cannot see, I say I cannot.
So easy is that.

Yes, all good points Natura.

I do not even remember what Tolle said about the voice or how to transcend it. I never did what he said and have lived with the voice for all these years.

But even though it is always there, always playing, there still seems to be moments of relative peace and quiet, a certain silence. There are times when silence or space takes over, if even briefly throughout my day.

And then when I have an orgasm, there is a certain peace, silence, letting go, bliss that lasts a little while.

So it is possible there is small tastes, glimpses of what it is like to live without this voice or noise going on all the time.

Eden wrote:

tree wrote:

sds wrote:

Just to be clear, people like RJ and Tree are the ones I was referring to in ruining this forum.

just to be clear, i think you are intentionally seeking abuse for whatever your twisted reasons may be, no one could possibly be as stupid as you pretend....

I disagree ;-)

I was thinking about Eden. He reminds me of the scorpion who stings just to sting.

Eden just likes to insult.... That is his nature.....

Last edited by sds (2012-02-23 10:54:07)

We eat all kinds of food, italian, indian, french, vietnamese, you call it!  But I can see you think yourself to be American and what not, in your head.

pearl wrote:

We eat all kinds of food, italian, indian, french, vietnamese, you call it!  But I can see you think yourself to be American and what not, in your head.

I do identify with being an American I guess....

sds wrote:

pearl wrote:

We eat all kinds of food, italian, indian, french, vietnamese, you call it!  But I can see you think yourself to be American and what not, in your head.

I do identify with being an American I guess....

That's why you got offended, but hey atleast you're honest.  I find being anything else than human, illusory speaking for myself.

sds wrote:

pearl wrote:

We eat all kinds of food, italian, indian, french, vietnamese, you call it!  But I can see you think yourself to be American and what not, in your head.

I do identify with being an American I guess....

Among many other things...

Natura, I imagine you saw this before you wrote this initial post, or as you did, and here it is. Life is what happens...

(a good one)