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pearl wrote:

Yes, the entire human race is....

Personally I'm not into any teachers, any teachings, or methods, and don't read any books, or practice any techniques.  What is the need when you are fully immersed in living life moment to moment, observing, learning, inquiring for yourself without being dependent on any other.

Yet you still can't see your own patterns.  Why is that?  And if you can see them, the fact remains that you still are unable to permanently break free of them.  Why is that? 

Perhaps your position is that at times the brain is free of all of it...totally free...and then it falls back into the patterns?  Is that it?  If so, are the gaps growing smaller?

Obviously not, because that would imply "time", and we know what your guru K says about "time" and "growth". 

You say that you are constantly "observing and learning", yet you constantly deny that learning/growing/evolving/opening is possible because all that implies "time". 

Doesn't learning imply time, or a process, the perception and discovery of patterns, etc?

I am out the door in a minute to start a most wonderful, new, fresh day.

But before I go, I wanted to ask you Pearl after reading your latest back and forth with Eden, is why?

Why do you two keep bantering back and forth? Why, why, why?

I have a sneaky feeling why Eden does it: He is hooked on you, dependent, attached, needy, for some reason or other has latched onto you and needs something from you, approval or something or not.

For you, I am not quite sure why you keep on engaging him. I am not telling you to stop, I am just curious why, if you ever looked into it and if you want to share. You dont have to, but thought I would ask if you want to.

Have a most wonderful day Pearl, I will try over here to have one too.....

sds wrote:

I am out the door in a minute to start a most wonderful, new, fresh day.

But before I go, I wanted to ask you Pearl after reading your latest back and forth with Eden, is why?

Why do you two keep bantering back and forth? Why, why, why?

I have a sneaky feeling why Eden does it: He is hooked on you, dependent, attached, needy, for some reason or other has latched onto you and needs something from you, approval or something or not.

For you, I am not quite sure why you keep on engaging him. I am not telling you to stop, I am just curious why, if you ever looked into it and if you want to share. You dont have to, but thought I would ask if you want to.

Have a most wonderful day Pearl, I will try over here to have one too.....

Yes, yes, seeing the same about dependency, attachment, etc.  i am also beginning to see he's hooked on, but from myside in general I respond to anyone who is interested to look with me on this dialogue forum, and I did take one last chance at conveying to him, how it  it is seen, lived here.  Nothing more to add anyways, SDS, and I did not see myself as bantering with eden,  btw, merely communicating, trying to help him see what I mean(with some humor;-))  but here it ends, not because of your post, but due to an understanding of things as they are.

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pearl wrote:

Personally I'm not into any teachers, any teachings, or methods, and don't read any books, or practice any techniques.  What is the need when you are fully immersed in living life moment to moment, observing, learning, inquiring for yourself

pearl wrote:

Again, there is no "me" who is learning, observing, but learning(unlearning) discovery...

Clear as mud.  Thanks!

i feel sort of jobless now while you're going after her to point out the inconsistent contradictions..

kirsten wrote:

i feel sort of jobless now while you're going after her to point out the inconsistent contradictions..

Kirsten are you referring to Pearl as the her.... in this post?

If so, it is good that you are jobless, for it is really not a job for anyone to do. It is best to leave people alone and mind your own business in my opinion. It is best to look for ones own inconsistencies and contradictions and leave others alone.

why don't you start by addressing the points I made above and the obvious contradictions I just pointed out. if you can handle that much, you will get more.

Eden wrote:

why don't you start by addressing the points I made above and the obvious contradictions I just pointed out. if you can handle that much, you will get more.

What I find interesting about this Eden fellow is that he is very demanding of me.

And that he does not look at me as an equal and thinks/feels he is above me.

He does not even know me, except through this forum. He cannot know the real me.

His attitude reeks of arrogance, superiority, one upmanship, and lack of humility.

I have to earn his responding to me.

How funny that is to this writer.

And yet, whether Pearl earned it or not, he cannot stop writing to her, responding to her, discussing with her... She will get more, more from him, either way.

I spewed out a few thoughts about that in a earlier post, and I really feel it would be helpful for him to look at this and look into himself and see this dynamic. To see why he likes discussing with her and why he does not like discussing with someone like me.

And if it is because you think I am stupid, an idiot, a k nut, whatever, that is your freedom to think that, and I would appreciate if you just come out and tell me this. Tell me what you really think of me. And then I will decide if I ever want to talk/discuss with you ever again too. You will get more, only when you earn it too.....

kirsten wrote:

sds wrote:

kirsten wrote:

i feel sort of jobless now while you're going after her to point out the inconsistent contradictions..

Kirsten are you referring to Pearl as the her.... in this post?

If so, it is good that you are jobless, for it is really not a job for anyone to do. It is best to leave people alone and mind your own business in my opinion. It is best to look for ones own inconsistencies and contradictions and leave others alone.

''It is best to leave people alone and mind your own business in my opinion.''

oh, haha, well that's a good one sds, let me take you as an example, ok ?

What are you inferring Kirsten?

Are you saying I do not follow my own advice?

If so, I question that, Madaam. I am just pointing out the facts most of the time.

For the most part, I do try to follow that approach.

Now, I am human and sometimes I meddle in others business, but overall, I thought I was following my own advice and walking the talk.

You can beg to differ if you want and you are free to disagree and think I am a hypocrite or whatever, I do not mind....

I like you Kirsten and want to discuss more with you. Please lets have a dialogue, lets discuss this fully and all its implications. Lets go into it and see the false for the false and the truth....

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sds wrote:

kirsten wrote:

i feel sort of jobless now while you're going after her to point out the inconsistent contradictions..

Kirsten are you referring to Pearl as the her.... in this post?

If so, it is good that you are jobless, for it is really not a job for anyone to do. It is best to leave people alone and mind your own business in my opinion. It is best to look for ones own inconsistencies and contradictions and leave others alone.

SDS, kirsten is a cowardly person who never faces upto to the intense jealousy, competition, the fear, the hatred that lies just beneath the surface, and every now and then she unleashes it like she has no sense of control over the hate she harbors against pearl for reasons only she knows.  Now, this doesn't mean I'm saying you must not discuss with her, etc,etc...it's not my problem what you do, but sharing this on going feud of kirsten who is totally blinded with her hatred whihc she tires to conceal at times.  Now, she saw eden getting off his frustrations at pearl and this is her chance to unleash the pent up anger. She does that often.  Her hatred for pearl is clearly evident and man, I'v never met a more shallow and creepy female than her.  I do hope for her that she wakes up from this hateful trip of hers.  I wonder how she cannot get tired of this silly self confessed competitive nature.  In this sense eden and kirsten make a good pair, both cowardly and vain people lacking humility, integrity.  They should hook up, if you ask me.

BobD wrote:

sds wrote:

Eden wrote:

why don't you start by addressing the points I made above and the obvious contradictions I just pointed out. if you can handle that much, you will get more.

What I find interesting about this Eden fellow is that he is very demanding of me.

And that he does not look at me as an equal and thinks/feels he is above me.

He does not even know me, except through this forum. He cannot know the real me.

His attitude reeks of arrogance, superiority, one upmanship, and lack of humility.

I have to earn his responding to me.

How funny that is to this writer.

And yet, whether Pearl earned it or not, he cannot stop writing to her, responding to her, discussing with her... She will get more, more from him, either way.

I spewed out a few thoughts about that in a earlier post, and I really feel it would be helpful for him to look at this and look into himself and see this dynamic. To see why he likes discussing with her and why he does not like discussing with someone like me.

And if it is because you think I am stupid, an idiot, a k nut, whatever, that is your freedom to think that, and I would appreciate if you just come out and tell me this. Tell me what you really think of me. And then I will decide if I ever want to talk/discuss with you ever again too. You will get more, only when you earn it too.....

Interesting observations SDS. In reality(whatever that is)...eden is simply your run of the mill narcissist.  When ever you put pressure on him...he breaks and runs away, unless you are a woman. If you are a woman he seems less afraid to stick around. Like he's got some sort of dominance/submission thing going on. I've actually tested it several times. He's a fairly easily dominated "rank driven" male.  It is fairly typical of any rank driven male to break and run away when pressed.  That; or I watched too many episodes of Cesar Milan's "Dog Whisperer" while I was unemployed. lol Anyway...I wouldn't worry about it too much...this forum is simply priceless in that it allows for me to see what a total jackass I can be. Hell...forget about eden...stick with yourself. It will yield much more fruit if you do.

I agree wholeheartedly with your brilliant observations Bob.

I did take offense recently to you calling Eden nothing but a punk and said so. I responded from my heart and would still do so if led to.

I feel strongly that he is a human being like the rest of us and deserves love and respect and to be talked to respectfully.

However, there is a place too to tell the facts.

I think his ways are being exposed for all to see now and it is obvious to all. And hopefully he will start seeing it too.

But in the end, it is not about changing him or getting him to see himself, it is about each one of us seeing ourselves as we are. That is all we can do, in reality, is see ourselves and let everyone else do the same.

Thanks for your sharing....

kirsten wrote:

sds, the mind is hypocrite, not you.

and yes it takes two minds seeing that hypocrisy for a shared inquiry to be.

And Kirsten wrote: "''It is best to leave people alone and mind your own business in my opinion. SDS
oh, haha, well that's a good one sds, let me take you as an example, ok ?""

Yes you are right, it is the mind and it is the nature of the human being to be hypocritical. So I am no exception and it is played out on here almost every time I post. Thanks for sharing this.