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Tom · 2012-02-22 14:24:43

Physical death is the inevitable fact for each one of us; but why do we fear it? It's the fear of death that probably lies at the root of all our fears; so from a superficial glance, it would appear to suggest that a life of fear is also an inevitable fact for each of us.

This is a serious question, even though it is put down very simply and briefly. If we can bring to it a serious response, so much the better.

tree · 2012-02-22 14:35:48

Tom wrote:
Physical death is the inevitable fact for each one of us; but why do we fear it? It's the fear of death that probably lies at the root of all our fears; so from a superficial glance, it would appear to suggest that a life of fear is also an inevitable fact for each of us.

This is a serious question, even though it is put down very simply and briefly. If we can bring to it a serious response, so much the better.

what do you say to those who do not fear death?

night · 2012-02-22 17:43:25

If you let go of your past altogether, there is nothing to preserve and then physical death isn't perceived as a loss (the source of the fear).

Last edited by night (2012-02-22 18:09:51)

Jayaraj · 2012-02-23 01:35:49

Tom wrote:
Physical death is the inevitable fact for each one of us; but why do we fear it? It's the fear of death that probably lies at the root of all our fears; so from a superficial glance, it would appear to suggest that a life of fear is also an inevitable fact for each of us.

This is a serious question, even though it is put down very simply and briefly. If we can bring to it a serious response, so much the better.

Is it that we cannot perceive life as a flux? A trap due to the nature of construction of our senses? As night says if nothing is held onto then there is no such thing as leaving. But apparently we think things are fixed.

Tom · 2012-02-23 02:06:44

tree wrote:
what do you say to those who do not fear death?

I don't know. Why say anything to them?

Tom · 2012-02-23 02:07:55

night wrote:
If you let go of your past altogether, there is nothing to preserve and then physical death isn't perceived as a loss.

But why is it perceived as a loss? A loss of what?

Tom · 2012-02-23 02:10:17

Jayaraj wrote:
Is it that we cannot perceive life as a flux?

I don't know. Are you afraid of death?

tree · 2012-02-23 02:55:43

Tom wrote:
tree wrote:
what do you say to those who do not fear death?
I don't know. Why say anything to them?

Tom wrote:
I have nothing to offer.

yet, you wanted to meet in a new way
had something to convey...

Tom · 2012-02-23 13:01:22

tree wrote:
Tom wrote:
tree wrote:
what do you say to those who do not fear death?
I don't know. Why say anything to them?
Tom wrote:
I have nothing to offer.
yet, you wanted to meet in a new way, had something to convey...

Well, if someone said to me, 'I do not fear death,' I'd talk to them. But until someone says it, it's all rather hypothetical. Unless you're saying it for yourself and I've missed the point here. If so, if I have missed the point, then it's because you're once again being too cryptic.

tree · 2012-02-23 13:14:39

Tom wrote:
tree wrote:
Tom wrote:

I don't know. Why say anything to them?
Tom wrote:
I have nothing to offer.
yet, you wanted to meet in a new way, had something to convey...
Well, if someone said to me, 'I do not fear death,' I'd talk to them. But until someone says it, it's all rather hypothetical. Unless you're saying it for yourself and I've missed the point here. If so, if I have missed the point, then it's because you're once again being too cryptic.

do you fear death?

Tom · 2012-02-23 14:09:44

tree wrote:
do you fear death?

When?

tree · 2012-02-23 14:13:37

Tom wrote:
tree wrote:
do you fear death?
When?

pick a time, any time

tree · 2012-02-23 14:19:11

(death is patient)

tree · 2012-02-23 14:25:06

Tom · 2012-02-23 14:49:12

tree wrote:
Tom wrote:
tree wrote:
do you fear death?
When?
pick a time, any time

No, that's not what I mean. You're asking me if I fear death. Which 'me' are you asking? The 'me' from childhood? The 'me' from last year? The 'me' from ten years hence?

pitfalll · 2012-02-23 14:57:39

No, the you from right now.

Tom · 2012-02-23 15:13:36

pitfalll wrote:
No, the you from right now.

There is no 'me' right now, is there? I am always somewhere else when I answer a personal question like this. Either I go back to what I think I already know about myself; or I go forward to an image I think I want to portray.

I am not wriggling out of it, out of answering your question, but it's very clear there is no 'me' right now. However I am happy to try and give you an answer from the past 'me' or from the future 'me'. After all, that's what we all do anyway.

Note: I am happy to try - I don't promise anything.

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tree · 2012-02-23 15:28:45

Tom wrote:
pitfalll wrote:
No, the you from right now.
There is no 'me' right now, is there? I am always somewhere else when I answer a personal question like this. Either I go back to what I think I already know about myself; or I go forward to an image I think I want to portray.

I am not wriggling out of it, out of answering your question, but it's very clear there is no 'me' right now. However I am happy to try and give you an answer from the past 'me' or from the future 'me'. After all, that's what we all do anyway.

Note: I am happy to try - I don't promise anything.

there is no you...there is no question...there is no answer....no problem...no solution...no seed of salvation...nothing to offer...

go, thou art free

tree · 2012-02-23 15:34:43

farmer · 2012-02-23 18:14:37

tree, someone or something suggested we are not free therefore we began to search to find a way to be free. The power of suggestion is a powerful thing.What suggested this state of non- freedom?

tree · 2012-02-23 20:34:38

hmm...

tree · 2012-02-23 20:51:16

pearl · 2012-02-23 22:57:22

SDS was right, you're silly images are way off the mark.

tree · 2012-02-23 23:02:04

what is the mark?

pearl · 2012-02-23 23:04:21

Now, you're beginning to sound like tom.;-)

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