KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

A physical entity, which is the form. But that's not much. Which is why I said earlier that Ekanta is an illusion. Not the form, of course, but that isn't much anyway.

Last edited by bruce sean (2012-02-20 01:21:03)

pearl wrote:

The only stupidity is the one of that of the message you posted, to be honest which again demonstrates your incapacity to pause and look deeply at anything.  And you personalize everything.

Look, firstly opennes is not something you can practise, that you can, is a delusion for than you are not even a wee bit open yet, not fully matured enough to look at anything without distortions.
For if you do, you'll see that, that which is completely open, and ever new is totally without a cause meaning completely independent of the "other", hence totally free of suffering/sorrow/time.  But you must first understand what it means to suffer, to be sorrow.  You must give it your complete attention, but like the majoirty you haven't gone into it, and so still stuck up between sorrow and joy, openness and closedness, the constant battle which is evident in words of your posts,  the fact that you do not give your complete attention to anything, rather it's on the surface, and very fickle attention.  You're content with it like the majority moving form one to another quickly, never fully staying with anything.  not just you, but there are a few tohers too who are not capable of going deeply into any subject, or topic at hand.  you have got absolutely no patience just as the tom's of the world who talk of patience but show none whatsoever.

Yes pearl, I fully realize that anything outside of K's perspective will be maligned by you, without exception.  It's all too predictable, and exactly the kind of patterns I am talking about. As you have said on a couple of recent occasions, you aren't "half as insightful as K".  So obviously it would be foolish for you to question anything outside of the bounds of K....at least not until you are "more insightful" than he. 

And yes, this moment is totally open. Life is openness itself, ever new.  That is not in question. It is from that place that I say what I say. 

Everyone has habits of closure...."practice" as I use the word is simply the counteracting of those patterns.  In the same way one does therapy on a muscle that has atrophied, or in the same way one puts a counterforce on a vertebrae that is out of alignment, so too one brings love into those situations which are habitually the most difficult to love in, to open in. In fact one may even chose to put oneself in those situations so as to push the limits of openness even further, to stay at one's edge, out of one's comfort zone, always watching carefully to see if one's capacity to open in love is indeed growing, or if it is just another trick of the mind.

pearl wrote:

There is no such thing as K's perception.  But you are stuck in all kinds of theories, ideas and so do not inquire further and keep repeating the same mumbo jumbo asbout being open, etc which are all ideas to you.

After I go poop I usually wipe my anus with soft toilet paper.  Is that an idea? 

pearl wrote:

When one is looking, observing, seeing, for oneself perception is new, untainted by the past, and doesn't belong to K, or me, or any other.

That is not how the body works.  The body stores the past, naturally.  It's only a problem when the body stores myths. 

If someone punches you in the face, you remember it.  The body stores the memory and next time the body sees that person it is looking to see if that pattern is still there, or if perhaps it has changed, but the memory is there.  This whole notion of being "untainted by the past" is pure bullshit.

Your belief in God is merely an escape from your monotonous, stupid and cruel life. JK

Oh no, how dare you insult him, Eden the deida addict! lol

Now, you're beginning to sound like a new age cult guru telling me to "stick to those". How is the fact that you are violent, controlling, confused, arrogant, stupid, insulting sir?

Eden wrote:

I'm not the least bit insulted, but the fact is they are attempts to discredit, label, demean, etc...which are all attempts to 'collapse' the other.  Of course it will take a whole lot more than that to collapse me, but you are certainly welcome to keep trying.

Eden, I believe you, I really do.

You are a wonderful human being with a lot of good insights to share.

I do not know why Pearl is so against you all of a sudden. It is strange to me to be reading daily her latest insults to you.

Usually, you two would make up by now and be friends again and have a mutual respect and sharing.

But it is nice to see that you are finally not backing down and keeping it real.

pearl wrote:

Oh my poor sds and eden, so sad how you have been insulted and yet not really insulted. Can't stop laughing.  Good show guys, keep it up. ;-)

I am glad I can bring some laughter to my Beautiful Pearl on this most beautiful morning/day.

I cant wait for Eden to show up and insult me for my comments

Eden wrote:

sds wrote:

Eden wrote:

I'm not the least bit insulted, but the fact is they are attempts to discredit, label, demean, etc...which are all attempts to 'collapse' the other.  Of course it will take a whole lot more than that to collapse me, but you are certainly welcome to keep trying.

Eden, I believe you, I really do.

You are a wonderful human being with a lot of good insights to share.

I do not know why Pearl is so against you all of a sudden. It is strange to me to be reading daily her latest insults to you.

Not strange to me at all. Entirely common in fact.  When you've seen one mind lost in duality, you've seen them all.

Saint Eden, for you must be a saint to deal with us all, and all of our minds lost in duality.

I love you man, keep up the good work.

By the way, who is this David Deida that was mentioned often in regards to you? And do you read him? Is he one of your teachers? Do you think I should read him too?

Eden wrote:

sds wrote:

By the way, who is this David Deida that was mentioned often in regards to you? And do you read him? Is he one of your teachers? Do you think I should read him too?

I think you should ask pearl.

Pearl, can you answer any of these questions?

Does Eden read David Deida? Have you ever read him? What do you think of David Deida? Do you think I should read him? Thanks....

sds wrote:

Eden wrote:

sds wrote:

By the way, who is this David Deida that was mentioned often in regards to you? And do you read him? Is he one of your teachers? Do you think I should read him too?

I think you should ask pearl.

Pearl, can you answer any of these questions?

Does Eden read David Deida? Have you ever read him? What do you think of David Deida? Do you think I should read him? Thanks....

He sent me a big file long ago of some david deidas video and that' how I know eden is his follower and looks upto him.  most of the stuff he writes here about women, etc, is his ideas from david deida.  Eden was highly exhilarated like an inflated balloon at that time reading david deida, but now he seems like a balloon with out air.  Anyways, carry on your discussions with your master guru, eden.  I'm off to work.

Yes, the entire human race is....

Personally I'm not into any teachers, any teachings, or methods, and don't read any books, or practice any techniques.  What is the need when you are fully immersed in living life moment to moment, observing, learning, inquiring for yourself without being dependent on any other.  Just wondering....sds.  Hope you've had a wonderful day.  (A most incredible day here, and no wasn't able to meet MF.  Wasn't possible to due to work, timings, etc.)