KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

night wrote:

everyone wrote:

night wrote:

Are you aware of the law of transitivity? If A created B and B created C then A created C.

Now start with A is God, That which has no beginning, pure awareness, ...

Do you see that there is nothing separate from anything? And therefore that every moment is divine, however pleasant or unpleasant?

Wow JIhads are good . :-)

Good and bad, hmmm?

Wasn't that a divine response? Or is war is good outside the field of divine responses ? :-)

everyone wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

everyone wrote:

Does anyone have a picture of Bruce I can borrow ? I understand the concept you have of being a nobody is true psychologically only, not true technically about you as far as being a mostly hairless animal who performs habitually like others in society entertaining himself named Bruce and dining himself, and taking himself to  movies other real animals invented for him, and acted in them for him and others to enjoy and to to watch who make a living doing that  . As far as us getting a handle on what you are saying it is our own lack or inability to understand or your own to explain yourself clearly . You bicker, eat do most  everything animals do,you seem to have  just changed your name or label? If nothings there how do you label it, theres nothing to label like an empty space .  i AM NOBODY is really a big self center  ?   We as others are not under you, or above you but there is no such thing as a universal truth that we are not animals made up of the same matter . Only a truth we are not our labels or images of ourselves, or our ideas, and conclusions and beliefs or virtually in control of every aspect of our lives . We are living entities trying to live adequately in the safety, and illusion of security, seeking the pleasure of memory, moving into the future as memory,  and failing to see we are  asleep or living mostly unaware self projected lives programmed by our society . Some of us are looking into that, and inquiring, and seeing newly what has happened generally to dividing, and following, and leading mankind trapped in psychological self delusions and neurosis, and other mental states .    :-)

Yes sir, but me who? Who is behind the image that you see I project, the image of a nobody? Who is the projector? You haven't answered this.

Your asking me to tell you who you are ? I don't know .That is only one of many good questions to ask yourselves, not ask others, and accept their answers . :-)

Is my projector different from your projector? Or rather, is the projector who is me different than the projector who is you? Are there many projectors, or is there only one?

everyone wrote:

Eden wrote:

everyone wrote:

Thought invented a conditioned tool

And what invented thought?

This, the most relevant question of all still escapes you(or you are still running from it). Let's see if you will finally face it(not holding my breath)

Obviously Not God or  what created the brain, because if you think the same thing that created the magnificence of the cosmos, the order in nature, health, actually  invented superstitious thought and this divisive  chaotic disorder, and mess mankind invented on earth founded, and rooted in superstition, your sadly mistaken. :-)

What invented mankind?

Eden wrote:

beans wrote:

If this body gets sunburned, it will feel pain. The body of Eden will not feel that pain.

Totally false. It depends how open one is.  I see badly sunburned bodies constantly, and in fact it is painful to see.  That openness can extend further outward also, and one who is totally open can feel into the heart of another even better than they can feel into their own.

In some cases, this is possible. In most cases, it is just a process of projecting and imagination.

The fact is that if I was in excruciating pain from sunburn right now, you would not know one way or the other.

eden wrote:

That openness can extend further outward also, and one who is totally open can feel into the heart of another even better than they can feel into their own.

Ah, so now you are differentiating between the heart of another and one's own heart. Yes, this differentiation can be made, as long as one understands that there are two distinct entities.

everyone wrote:

night wrote:

everyone wrote:

Wow JIhads are good . :-)

Good and bad, hmmm?

Wasn't that a divine response? Or is war is good outside the field of divine responses ? :-)

Your incapacity to feel that every moment is divine does not make it any less so. If you can't feel it then it only indicates that you live in a narrow world and that you need to grow in your ability to feel the moment, now, what is. Not try to fix it.

night wrote:

Eden wrote:

So let me get this clear....what created the brain(God) is not what created thought?  Hahaha.  I love how the mind will come up with any idiotic BS necessary to keep duality/fragmentation alive. Thanks for the classic illustration!

Yes. There is 'all that is', and then what should be eliminated from it (!).

Let us save the world from duality.

You and I agree that duality poses no threat to the whole...it will be weeded out by nature in its own time(just as it was in our own body), and yet life is still as good and open as it will ever be, right now.

Eden wrote:

beans wrote:

In some cases, this is possible. In most cases, it is just a process of projecting and imagination.

The fact is that if I was in excruciating pain from sunburn right now, you would not know one way or the other.

Ah, so now you are differentiating between the heart of another and one's own heart. Yes, this differentiation can be made, as long as one understands that there are two distinct entities.

Most cases?  I am not interested in most cases, nor am I talking about projecting or imagination.  Actual physical empathy and/or feeling the pain of another is natural when one is open to feel.  For one who is capable of deep/wide openness, that capacity to feel deeply into another and deeply into the entire world, is always there, though one's attention may be narrowed down to a specific task at a given moment.

There is a time and a place to feel wide and deep, and there is a time and a place to narrow down one's attention totally.

Look, there are rare cases when people "see behind the veil". Obviously, when you are beating up on bruce sean you are not feeling empathy (and don't even pretend it's what he needed). I am very familiar with empathy, so no need for continued explanations

What is interesting is the rest of my post was plowed over. Do you feel any pain from beans' body right now? How about from all the other 6.5 billion humans on the planet? If we really look at this, we'll see that form includes physical borders, distinct entities (which of course are also all connected).

You yourself distinguished between your heart and the hearts of others. Language use represents our understanding, so if one didn't see this distinction, it would have been phrased in a different way.

The traditional standard is imitation, and conformity .Now when anyone takes the fact that only individuals can affect the world, and applies that traditional standard to all others except themselves. They are not individuals at all but despots and more pathetic Castro's and dictators, and exploiting Sai babas, or exploiting oshos and Gurus, and spiritual positive thinking inspirational theorists misleading others in the world, making money off the sweat of their toil .:-)

night wrote:

everyone wrote:

night wrote:

Your incapacity to feel that every moment is divine does not make it any less so. If you can't feel it then it only indicates that you live in a narrow world and that you need to grow in your ability to feel the moment, now, what is. Not try to fix it.

To Develop the same non ability to be aware of  thought to discriminate personally, and accept altruistic thought, and belief systems others invented is following. What  you seem to want to nurture, advocate  and do propaganda for, is more beliefs, more division, not seeing for yourself thought and its psychological  causes and beliefs, have all failed .I see what is but you take it a step further and say everything is Allah, war is divine in chronological time. All I have to do is  self delude myself and  feel divine,  or use similar words with my  own rose colored  glasses, with coke bottle lenses. Believe like Night without seeing in darkness . Darkness is mostly always spreading darkness . Night tried to get me to put on his glasses and  see with him, so I could believe like him .  Most all psychological spiritual thought that is not pointing to your own seeing, but requires believing first, or supposedly from others  seeing in light,  and than reinventing, old or  new believing. That is true believing but  only to them in  darkness is believing necessary,  and not just more mental enslavement, or divisive propaganda or others junk in our own trunks . No thank you . :-)

Well it was fun talking with you too! lol. Have fun with your delusions, amigo. You seem to enjoy thinking about things and making things up. I leave you to it.

So anyone not agreeing with your beliefs  must be delusional   ? I see That is just more divine superstition and disappointed thought, as a reaction . I am sorry you feel that way I did not mean to sound like I was talking down to you . Sometimes I am to reasonable, or  technical making a point .   How do you say yes or no to anything if you cannot identify what is false, or true in life regardless of good, or bad social morals, or personal pleasure or real rights like fairness and free speech. Or just say no to real wrongs like mass executions, drone attacks anywhere, collateral damage, genocide, corporate pollution , bondage,  slavery, forced female prostitution, exploitation, child labor, fixed marriages, female genital mutilation,  hunting animals to extinction, forced indebtedness of children, false imprisonment, torture  and  war  ? Not that I have covered everything happening in your neighborhood, or being committed in your name by your government, but just the ones close to you ? How do you see What is and not act or even say NO ?  Is your idea about observe dispassionately, and believe that  is divine observation  or the idea see and  do nothing blocking our  me, or you, or the other  ? :-)

Last edited by everyone (2012-06-28 16:13:14)

beans wrote:

You yourself distinguished between your heart and the hearts of others. Language use represents our understanding, so if one didn't see this distinction, it would have been phrased in a different way.

There is only one heart.  Each body varies in its capacity to feel the oneheartness of all beings.  This varying capacity to feel oneness, doesn't change the nature of oneness.  Are we clear?

Eden wrote:

everyone wrote:

Eden wrote:

And what invented thought?

This, the most relevant question of all still escapes you(or you are still running from it). Let's see if you will finally face it(not holding my breath)

Obviously Not God or  what created the brain, because if you think the same thing that created the magnificence of the cosmos, the order in nature, health, actually  invented superstitious thought and this divisive  chaotic disorder, and mess mankind invented on earth founded, and rooted in superstition, your sadly mistaken. :-)

What invented mankind?

Still running from this question Dano?  Poor Dano.  Such an easy question, but alas he can't face it else his entire world view would come crashing down and he would have nothing and no one to hate.

Eden wrote:

everyone wrote:

night wrote:

Your incapacity to feel that every moment is divine does not make it any less so. If you can't feel it then it only indicates that you live in a narrow world and that you need to grow in your ability to feel the moment, now, what is. Not try to fix it.

To Develop the same non ability to be aware of  thought to discriminate personally, and accept altruistic thought, and belief systems others invented is following. What  you seem to want to nurture, advocate  and do propaganda for, is more beliefs, more division, not seeing for yourself thought and its psychological  causes and beliefs, have all failed .I see what is but you take it a step further and say everything is Allah, war is divine in chronological time. All I have to do is  self delude myself and  feel divine,  or use similar words with my  own rose colored  glasses, with coke bottle lenses. Believe like Night without seeing in darkness . Darkness is mostly always spreading darkness . Night tried to get me to put on his glasses and  see with him, so I could believe like him .  Most all psychological spiritual thought that is not pointing to your own seeing, but requires believing first, or supposedly from others  seeing in light,  and than reinventing, old or  new believing. That is true believing but  only to them in  darkness is believing necessary,  and not just more mental enslavement, or divisive propaganda or others junk in our own trunks . No thank you . :-)

Night has pointed out your belief system, your duality, and your fragmentation, and your only reply is vague accusations of night(and I) having a belief system that we are trying to impose upon you?  That's pretty funny.  How can one have a belief system without duality?  It is a physical impossibility in fact.  Try it!

If you and night want to be trapped in his or her beliefs i do not mind. War is not divine or sacred .  Whoever invented non action, and told you global warming was not mostly man made, and these are bountiful times,  really pulled the wool  over your sheep like eyes .:-)

Last edited by everyone (2012-06-28 20:07:10)

Eden wrote:

everyone wrote:

Thought invented a conditioned tool

And what invented thought?

everyone wrote:

mankind invented on earth

Eden wrote:

What invented mankind?

everyone wrote:

I don't know do you ? :-)

Poor Dano.