KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

Exactly.

Most people lack the physical capacity to speak without abstractions.  --Anonymis-ter

“The world would be happier if men had the same capacity to be silent that they have to speak” Spinoza

"We live fragmented. This fragmented lives of us is our curse."

Talks by K. in USA - 1966

Last edited by Sônia (2010-01-12 16:05:46)

The statement above the above is true.
The statement just above is true.

What shall I do?

bruce sean wrote:

Frenchtouch wrote:

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using his intelligence; he is just using his memory." Leonardo da Vinci

Anyone who quotes is not using their intelligence, only their memory. What a useless thread.

Bruce, you should have read the quote you've just quoted. The only thing useless in this thread is your comment.

But bruce why would you say anything, as I know it already. What's the use of that?

Don't you think it is remarkable that Leonardo da Vinci wrote something that you, K, and me could have said? Is there any communication here?

And the argument of authority always exists. It's just everywhere. So I think it is better that LDV say that to you because you would not care if it was me saying it to you.

But, if you want to speak in French, that's something else.

"I am reminded of what Krishnaji once said to me humorously: “We are not enlightened, but neither are we unenlightened!” Sunanda Patwardhan, A Vision of the Sacred: My Personal Journey with Krishnamurti

Last edited by Frenchtouch (2010-03-01 15:07:38)

But we are dead.

I object to an in-between state. That in-between, to me, is to be dead.

When you use a quote, that quote takes over your own thinking. When you understand something, surely you must be able to put it into your own words, and, TO YOU, that will sound better, because you found the wording, you worked for it, you explored it, so it has a different value altogether.

  When you think the quote expresses the same thing you wanted to say, it's only an impression that you saw the same thing, but you haven't worked it out-when you do, you are always able to come up with a different angle, a different connection. There's so much to see, so much new stuff to perceive, why repeat exactly an old connection, an old perception of someone else?

  Forget definitions. They are dead things. As for death, if one's body is alive, but one's perception is tinted, one is a robot-they repeat, repeat, repeat. And a robot is a dead thing-it may move about, but it's not alive.

  So one's either awake, or one's dead. But one insists they're not dead, because they don't accept that state, and fight back. And that fighting back, keeps them dead. So, it's a reaction of not accepting that we're dead, that invents an in-between state.

Ha ha ha… you have some very nice ideas like … mine. The cemetery Gate of Heaven here in California is a true heaven for me.
Now, about quotes, or books, I am free to use them as I am pleased. First I must quote the whole book to consider its messages to my own life. Accept the game and play it right. Then I am not afraid of anything and  having no opinion about anything.

i give some on that bruce.... anyone should be able to speak from heart, when time is put in.

but still, some points are already known, so no need to come up with new thoughts about it.

about defining life.... its the main point to define it if you want to put anything on one side or another. maybe the people your talkin about arent nowwhere in between, are alive, just lost some functions.....

and who says that a robot couldnt ever be alive?