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#1 2012-09-06 08:19:13
- Pablo Sitauskis
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Emotions
One of my teachers, a very sweet quirky lady named Marge (who had studied with Jane Roberts, of Seth-channeling fame), used to say: "Nothing is more powerful than emotions." As much as I wanted to disagree with her (Spock was my role model), I had to admit that when an emotional mood was upon me -- joyful or painful -- it trumped everything else.
I'd like to explore emotions in this thread:
- What is an emotion?
- What is a mood?
- What is a "phase?" As in: I'm in a happy phase of life, a depression, etc.
- How do all of these arise and dissolve?
- To what extent are they dependent on thought/memory? Are there thought-less emotions?
- And so on.
If you're into it, please join in. :-)
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#2 2012-09-06 09:08:28
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Re: Emotions
In my experience, thought often triggers emotions, though the emotions might arise so quickly and powerfully that the triggering thoughts are overshadowed, perhaps not seen at all.
Moods are emotions that persist over time (1-several hours typically). Sometimes when a mood is upon me and I look dispassionately at it, I notice persistent/looping thoughts driving the mood. Other times, I don't ... which I interpret to mean either I'm too caught up in the emotions to see the thoughts, or the mood is running itself even without thoughts continuing to fuel it.
Phases seem to work much the same way as moods, except that they last longer (months or even years), because the normal things that dispel moods -- a good night's sleep, for example -- don't dispel phases. With phases, more than moods, there is an element of self-fulfilling prophecy: I say to myself "I am in a ________ phase" and the saying (day after day) keeps the feeling of being in that phase alive.
All of these -- emotions, moods, phases -- seem to have a life of their own. Once they kick in, they energize themselves in a feedback-ish way, and persist for however long the feedback mechanism keeps working. And all of them seem to be, more or less, driven by thought ... at least at the outset.
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#3 2012-09-06 09:12:45
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Re: Emotions
As for whether there are thought-less emotions ... well, what I might call pure love or pure apprehension of beauty/wonder, all very powerful emotional states, might arise sans thought. Though I can't say for sure, because, again: Thoughts can trigger responses lightning fast, and these responses can then totally eclipse the triggering thoughts.
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#5 2012-09-06 09:51:11
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Re: Emotions
Yeah, okay ... but what do *you* think/feel about all of this Mr. tree?
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#6 2012-09-06 09:56:00
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Re: Emotions
Pablo Sitauskis wrote:
Yeah, okay ... but what do *you* think/feel about all of this Mr. tree?
some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you
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#8 2012-09-06 10:33:31
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Re: Emotions
Boy needs a good nail clippin'!
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#9 2012-09-06 10:38:55
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Re: Emotions
it's a brand new dance called the....circumstance
do the circumstance yeah
can you do the circumstance?
you don't need to know how
cause you're doin' it now
do the circumstance yeah
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#10 2012-09-06 10:55:39
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it's goin' all around
comin' to your town
you don't have a chance
so do the circumstance
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#12 2012-09-06 11:23:23
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Re: Emotions
tree wrote:
do the circumstance yeah
Ha, ha ha ha !!! Love it.
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#14 2012-09-06 11:57:40
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Re: Emotions
I guess people aren't comfortable talking about emozhions here ... vat vould Szigmund make of ziss?
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#18 2012-09-06 13:04:23
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Re: Emotions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_K36y-iLUk
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#19 2012-09-06 13:51:10
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Re: Emotions
Wow, have I hit a KFA taboo?
Emotions = boring? Too girly-boy? Not lofty enough ... ? ;-)
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#20 2012-09-06 13:56:38
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Re: Emotions
Pablo Sitauskis wrote:
- And so on.
That pretty much summed it up.
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#21 2012-09-06 14:09:04
Re: Emotions
The question on the table is where emotion comes from, or what it is, or some such. Here is a wonky answer:
If the seed of the self-identity were to be a sense of presence, then it would not be a far stretch to say that there really is that goblin under the bed, or that spook in the closet, or that the imagined new self to be is there waiting to be fulfilled, or that there is an imagined self present that is not that new self, but is to become that new self.
And when the two become one, when that which is not what it should be becomes that which it should be, that sense of relief from not only having to entertain an imagined split self, but also having to imagine those two as related in an absolute either/or sense, with one chasing the other.
That sense of relief is sensed as a fulfillment, and it feels so good to be released that the one who can play that game gets hooked up in creating the division just to feel its release.
Why do I pinch myself? Two reasons; to verify that I am and to feel the relief when I stop pinching myself.
Where does emotion come from? Piece of cake, that one; imagine the poor reactive self who has to bring about self-fulfillment, and watch the way that poor sod reacts within that process when that which should be is not that which is.
At any rate, that is how I imagine an imagined world to be. Any resemblance to reality is purely coincidental.
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#23 2012-09-06 20:49:04
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Re: Emotions
wilbro99 wrote:
The question on the table is where emotion comes from, or what it is, or some such. Here is a wonky answer:
If the seed of the self-identity were to be a sense of presence, then it would not be a far stretch to say that there really is that goblin under the bed, or that spook in the closet, or that the imagined new self to be is there waiting to be fulfilled, or that there is an imagined self present that is not that new self, but is to become that new self.
And when the two become one, when that which is not what it should be becomes that which it should be, that sense of relief from not only having to entertain an imagined split self, but also having to imagine those two as related in an absolute either/or sense, with one chasing the other.
That sense of relief is sensed as a fulfillment, and it feels so good to be released that the one who can play that game gets hooked up in creating the division just to feel its release.
Why do I pinch myself? Two reasons; to verify that I am and to feel the relief when I stop pinching myself.
Where does emotion come from? Piece of cake, that one; imagine the poor reactive self who has to bring about self-fulfillment, and watch the way that poor sod reacts within that process when that which should be is not that which is.
At any rate, that is how I imagine an imagined world to be. Any resemblance to reality is purely coincidental.
I wonder who here understands this, who sees the form as a possible overlay on the currently understood form, and who catches glimpses of recognition in pieces of it. There's not much movement from one of these positions to another, but ya never know.
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#24 2012-09-06 21:43:06
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Re: Emotions
wilbro99 wrote:
Where does emotion come from? Piece of cake, that one; imagine the poor reactive self who has to bring about self-fulfillment, and watch the way that poor sod reacts within that process when that which should be is not that which is.
If I'm reading this correctly, you're waxing uncharacteristically cynical on this one, Mr. Brown. Emotion as by-product of the reactive self's frustration and suffering? Sure, that's a part of the picture. But by incredibly far not the whole picture. Tawk about your glass half empty!
If I have misread you, I await your correction. :-)
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#25 2012-09-06 21:49:30
- Pablo Sitauskis
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Re: Emotions
Yes, I believe I have hit a KFA taboo: The exploration of emotions.
Who wouldda thought?
Well it's instructive to learn the boundaries of the playing field.
(But I'll tellya that yous guys are missing out on a huge part of what makes dis crazy (and beautiful) life ... dis crazy (and beautiful) life.)
Pablito (Not-Spock) Sitauskis
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