KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

awareness wrote:

read the above quote from k. i have no tendencies to continue your confabulations

you are eminently predictable, even if you can not see that.  Tendency rides with you in every post.

If you ever read any of these k-postings that you fling about like a madman, it might cure your illness.

let him be hermann, nothing but a morass here.  I am pulling my feet out of the tar pit as I type it, too beautiful a day to spend it talking to a wall without eyes.

joe wrote:

let him be hermann, nothing but a morass here.  I am pulling my feet out of the tar pit as I type it, too beautiful a day to spend it talking to a wall without eyes.

you can have 1000 pair of eyes and it would not help seeing:-)

hermann wrote:

If you ever read any of these k-postings that you fling about like a madman, it might cure your illness.

said the patient:-)

Pablo Sitauskis wrote:

POV Experiment

See the postings in this forum as the (often conflicting) thoughts inside one person's mind.

especially the forming into a group

hermann wrote:

joe wrote:

hermann wrote:

I see no contradiction.  This place has many of the features of the desert.  It has mirages and disappointments.  What more do I need?

Perhaps I could have been clearer in my question.  The thread is about what is wrong here, with an imploring for a sense of decency and togetherness.  I was responding to your statement that the object is one of finding oneself.

Remember, 'you are the world'. I can't pretend that I actually see the meaning of that very clearly, it it does seem to prove itself over and over again.

yes but then is there a question of changing it?  The thread opening seemed to suggest that, but that could have just been my reading of it.

Questioner: What is the true spirit of cooperation? If it is not born of a common work or a common interest, then how does it arise?

KRISHNAMURTI: Sirs, what is it that you call cooperation? You cooperate with authority, with those who you think have the right ideas, the right plan, do you not? Is that cooperation? When you accept and cooperate with any kind of authority, is that cooperation? When you drive on the left as the law requires, are you cooperating? Surely we must first find out what we mean by that word. If we understand what cooperation is, we shall also know when not to cooperate, and both are important, for to cooperate with another under certain circumstances may lead to destruction and misery.

To cooperate is to work together, is it not? But if there is a plan, a blueprint enforced by authority, that is not cooperation, it is merely compulsion. Working together through fear, through reward, through necessity, through enforcement, is obviously not cooperation. Then what is cooperation, and how does it come into being?

Now, is there a form of cooperation in which you and I are capable of working together without authority? We may build a house together, and for that a blueprint, the architect's plan is necessary, but what you do and what I do is not psychologically important to us. I may carry the bricks and you may put them in place, but our intention is to build the house together, and therefore there is no authority, no compulsion. We cooperate because we want to work together to produce something. Can you and I work together in that spirit? Surely this is not a Hindu world nor a communist world nor an English or American world. This earth is ours, it is yours and mine to live in, a place to work and build together, and what you do in building, matters as infinitely as what I do. Can we be free of nationalistic twaddle, of racial and religious separatism, and have this spirit of cooperation in building together? This is entirely different from the so-called cooperation through any form of compulsion or fear of punishment, is it not? It really means the absence of the self, of the 'me'. And when there is this spirit of cooperation, there is at the same time an awareness of when not to cooperate, which is equally important. When a leader comes along and offers some marvelous utopian plan, a complete sociological revolution without a fundamental inner revolution, should one cooperate with such a person? And when there is a total revolution of one's whole being, is there not cooperation in which one is not out for oneself, in which one is not ambitious? Surely this is the revolution of love, which is not mere sentiment, not just a word; therefore, it is capable of cooperating, and also of not cooperating when cooperating is futile.

Pablo Sitauskis wrote:

joe wrote:

pablo wrote:

POV Experiment

See the postings in this forum as the (often conflicting) thoughts inside one person's mind.

Sure pablo, this is the mind of humanity...tie it into the other thread you and I are discussing in the sense of the action of memory and how it drives the action.

For me, the nice thing about seeing everything in here as different voices in one's own head is that it makes me feel like we're all in this together.

yeah but isn't that just the counter to the other voice saying we are all separate?  Know what I mean?  I think we had a little discussion about this a few weeks back or so, about speculation, if I recall correctly.

anything else you would like to say?  It is already abundantly clear that you only prefer to teach what you do not understand.  Carry on if you must but once again I will not reply to you anymore today unless you find a question instead of all these stupid answers you keep spewing out.

joe wrote:

anything else you would like to say?  It is already abundantly clear that you only prefer to teach what you do not understand.  Carry on if you must but once again I will not reply to you anymore today unless you find a question instead of all these stupid answers you keep spewing out.

you said that a lot of times before, but that it is how it is: saying this, doing that

have you had your fill, awareness?  Obsession is like that, hard to satiate.  Do as you must.