KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

Self-knowing implies self-abandonment

    Surely, the mind has abandoned itself and its moorings only when there is no desire for security. A mind that is seeking security can never know what love is. Self-abandonment is not the state of the devotee before his idol or his mental image. Self-abandonment can come about only when you do not cultivate it, and when there is self-knowing.
    When the mind has understood the significance of knowledge, only then is there self-knowing, and self-knowing implies self-abandonment. You have ceased to rest on any experience as a center from which to observe, to judge, to weigh; therefore, the mind has already plunged into the movement of self-abandonment. In that abandonment there is sensitivity. But the mind which is enclosed in its habits of eating, of thinking, in its habit of never looking at anything - such a mind obviously cannot be sensitive, cannot be loving.
    In the very abandonment of its own limitations, the mind becomes sensitive and therefore innocent. And only the innocent mind knows what love is not the calculating mind, not the mind that has divided love into the carnal and the spiritual.In that state there is passion and, without passion, reality will not come near you. It is only the enfeebled mind that invites reality; it is only the dull, grasping mind that pursues truth, God. But the mind that knows passion in love to such a mind the nameless comes.

jk, Collected Works, Vol. XI,251

Must you quote the speaker for fifty years? Oh wait....I get it....If I cut and paste Jiddu for 50 years I will help others to look at those mountains.  Yes yes.  Carry on.

awareness wrote:

what happened, eden? did your new flame left you? or what is the reason in falling back into your old patterns?

....says the pattern.  you will be here 20 years from now cutting and pasting Jiddu talking to others about their patterns, asking asinine off-the-mark questions about other personal lives when they point to you your own patterns. 

you really think cutting and pasting Jiddu is going to help others see the mountains?  is that how you came to see them?  someone in a forum pasted a Jiddu quote and suddenly your heart opened to the entire entire expansive moment of Life here and now?  cool. carry on.

Is there any need for one to be serious?

Krishnamurti: Is there any need for one to be serious? very good question, sir. First of all, what do you mean by serious? Have you ever thought what it means to be serious? Is it the stopping of laughter? To have a smile on your face, would that indicate that you are not serious? To want to look at a tree and see the beauty of a tree, would that be lack of seriousness? To want to know why people look that way, what they wear, why they talk that way, would that be, lack of seriousness? Or would seriousness be always having a long face, always saying: ``Am I doing the right thing, am I conforming to a pattern?'' I should say that would not be seriousness at all. Trying to meditate is not seriousness, trying to follow the pattern of society is not seriousness - whether it is the pattern of Buddha or Sankara. Merely to conform is never to be serious. That is mere imitation. So you can be serious with a smile on your face, you can be serious when you look at a tree, you can be serious when you paint a picture, when you are listening to music. The quality of seriousness is to pursue to the very end a thought, an idea, a feeling; to go to the very end of it, not to be dissuaded by any other factor; to enquire into every thought to the very end of it whatever may happen to you, even if you have to starve in that process, lose all your property, everything; to go to the very end of thought is to be serious.

Last edited by awareness (2012-08-20 07:43:09)

Confidence is not arrogance. The more one has experienced, the more one is inwardly certain, the more arrogant and obstinate one becomes. Such self -confidence is only self-enclosure, a process of resistance. But there is, I think, a different kind of confidence which is not cumulative. To explore into the nature of conflict, one cannot bring to it that which one has accumulated, and if one explores with previous knowledge, it ceases to be exploration. Then you are merely moving from the known to the known, from certainty to certainty, from what you have experienced to what you hope to experience, and that is not exploration or experimentation. That is merely the cumulative process of knowledge, of experience, and the confidence it brings is assertive arrogance.

Now, I think there is a confidence which is much more subtle, much more worthwhile, and which comes when there is no sense of accumulation of any kind, but a constant exploration and discovery. It is this state of constant discovery, the capacity for constant exploration, that brings about an enduring confidence which is not arrogance. And that confidence, which is so essential, is denied when there is authority of any kind, when we depend on or look up to another for guidance in conduct. When we are dependent, it does give a certain self-assurance even though it entails fear, but that assurance of following someone, belonging to a group, believing in an idea or in certain dogmas, is surely a self-enclosing process, is it not? The mind that is constantly isolating itself is bound to awaken fear, and so there is a wandering from one authority to another, from one emotional exhaustion to another, and in this process our problems are never resolved - they only multiply.k

Ideals corrupt the mind: they are born of ideas, judge- ments and hope. Ideas are abstractions of what is and any idea or conclusion about what is actually happening distorts what is happening, and so corruption takes place. It takes away attention from the fact, what is, and so directs attention to the fanciful. This movement away from the fact makes for symbols, images, which then take on all-consuming importance. This movement away from the fact is corruption of the mind. Human beings indulge in this movement in conversation, in their relationships, in almost everything they do. The fact is instantly translated into an idea or a conclusion which then dictates our reactions. When something is seen, thought immediately makes a counterpart and that becomes the real. You see a dog and instantly thought turns to whatever image you may have about dogs, and so you never see the dog.k

Intensely aware in the present of all conditioning

    Only right thinking can free our thought-feeling from ignorance and sorrow. Right thinking is not the result of time but of becoming intensely aware in the present of all conditioning, which prevents clarity and understanding.The realization of that which is immortal, deathless, does not lie along the path of self-continuity, nor is it in its opposite. In the opposites there is conflict but not truth. Through self-awareness and in the clarity of self-knowledge, there comes right thinking. The capacity to realize truth is with us. In cultivating right thinking, which comes with self-knowledge, thought-feeling unfolds into the real, the timeless. What is necessary is to go beyond our narrow beliefs and formulations, our cravings and hopes, to experience that which is deathless and timeless.

jk,Collected Works, Vol. III,245

try it simply with being what is

awareness wrote:

try it simply with being what is

Yes! This pretty much nails it, awareness:

Be what is.

(Question is: How? (Oh wait, I'm not allowed to ask that ... ;-) ))

Pablo Sitauskis wrote:

awareness wrote:

try it simply with being what is

Yes! This pretty much nails it, awareness:

Be what is.

(Question is: How? (Oh wait, I'm not allowed to ask that ... ;-) ))

if you are rachmiel than you are not really interested to end sorrow, or did i missunderstood something, pablo?

awareness wrote:

Pablo Sitauskis wrote:

awareness wrote:

try it simply with being what is

Yes! This pretty much nails it, awareness:

Be what is.

(Question is: How? (Oh wait, I'm not allowed to ask that ... ;-) ))

if you are rachmiel than you are not really interested to end sorrow, or did i missunderstood something, pablo?

call him email

rachmiel: Sorrow also has a sweetness. It's one of the many rich colors on the palette of human emotion/experience. Why would one want to end it?

what is now, pablo?