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#126 2012-08-02 01:27:25

wilbro99
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Re: Knowing things directly

Ah! I see!

Pablo, in making my case for no beyond, I stepped on someone's toes, I did. It was not planned.

From following site: "The research indicated that there are all kinds of spiritual experiences that Christians might call closeness to God and atheists might call an awareness of themselves."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … brain.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 … 124156.htm

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#127 2012-08-02 08:37:01

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Re: Knowing things directly

wilbro99 wrote:

Pablo, in making my case for no beyond, I stepped on someone's toes, I did. It was not planned.

No worries Elder! Neither of us has got it right, so let's just enjoy the flux.

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#128 2012-08-02 12:10:36

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Re: Knowing things directly

Pablo sez: "No worries Elder! Neither of us has got it right, so let's just enjoy the flux."

I think the whole thing comes down to the sense of presence that accompanies the still of timelessness. There is a sense of absence in that presence that may be read as an absolute other. Is that sense of absence the Presence beyond that grounds presence, or is it simply the interface with the still, the unmoving, the Void?

Yes, who is to say? I opt for the notion of the still as that which holds the moving, and gives it the order it has, but that is the engineer speaking.

As an aside, I don't think it makes a difference which one opts for so long as that opting does not claim its opt as the truth; that claim of truth introduces a known into the unknowable that creates a conflict, and tags the other as either a theist or an a-theist.

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#129 2012-08-02 13:26:15

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wilbro99 wrote:

I don't think it makes a difference which one opts for so long as that opting does not claim its opt as the truth;

You say toMAYto and I say toMAHto. Only The Supreme Linguist knows for sure. (And he/she/it ain't tawkin'.)

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#130 2012-08-02 17:02:25

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Re: Knowing things directly

if he say tomato he would also say manchester

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#131 2012-08-02 19:40:39

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Which Manchester?

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#132 2012-08-03 05:30:14

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uk

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#133 2012-08-03 11:30:24

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there is one in the uk and one in nh, been to both, but they are separated by a moat, sometimes called the pond...

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