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#51 2012-07-28 09:15:48

awareness
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Re: What it means to be alone?

WhiteShaman wrote:

I think what Hermann is suggesting behind the color of his words is that to look at what it means to be........................(put anything you want here), is to be caught up in the relationship of "I" the story and the feeling, which when looked at is "I" the story.
When one is truly alone, then there nothing noticed...as I see it.
When I draw portraits, I get lost in it.....I cannot come back and tell you what it means to get lost in art..............I can just notice that it happens...afterwards.

you are right with this, but hermann is far away from that. it is only another image of "nothing noticed"

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#52 2012-07-28 09:16:33

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Re: What it means to be alone?

beans wrote:

tree wrote:

beans wrote:


Without a full, constant understanding, one is just dabbling. And can't recognize signs of disease....regardless of the green rubber clogs ;-)

how perceptive

OK, tree, enjoy the clog dance, while the rose has black spot...

enjoy your tax cut

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#53 2012-07-28 09:21:26

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Re: What it means to be alone?

?

Nice political tactic, tho.

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#54 2012-07-28 09:21:58

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Re: What it means to be alone?

awareness wrote:

WhiteShaman wrote:

I think what Hermann is suggesting behind the color of his words is that to look at what it means to be........................(put anything you want here), is to be caught up in the relationship of "I" the story and the feeling, which when looked at is "I" the story.
When one is truly alone, then there nothing noticed...as I see it.
When I draw portraits, I get lost in it.....I cannot come back and tell you what it means to get lost in art..............I can just notice that it happens...afterwards.

you are right with this, but hermann is far away from that. it is only another image of "nothing noticed"

I can only look at Hermanns actions and what they stir in me...or not. I cannot look at his intentions. I try not to judge such things..............probably cuz I dislike that being done to me. I don't know him and I can't know him.

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#55 2012-07-28 09:25:05

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Re: What it means to be alone?

just look at mankinds stream of conscioussness, which is you and me, his and her...

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#56 2012-07-28 09:25:26

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Re: What it means to be alone?

awareness wrote:

WhiteShaman wrote:

I think what Hermann is suggesting behind the color of his words is that to look at what it means to be........................(put anything you want here), is to be caught up in the relationship of "I" the story and the feeling, which when looked at is "I" the story.
When one is truly alone, then there nothing noticed...as I see it.
When I draw portraits, I get lost in it.....I cannot come back and tell you what it means to get lost in art..............I can just notice that it happens...afterwards.

you are right with this, but hermann is far away from that. it is only another image of "nothing noticed"

From my perspective, one can look at what it means to be "I" and notice everything without identifying with it.

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#57 2012-07-28 09:29:39

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Re: What it means to be alone?

beans wrote:

awareness wrote:

WhiteShaman wrote:

I think what Hermann is suggesting behind the color of his words is that to look at what it means to be........................(put anything you want here), is to be caught up in the relationship of "I" the story and the feeling, which when looked at is "I" the story.
When one is truly alone, then there nothing noticed...as I see it.
When I draw portraits, I get lost in it.....I cannot come back and tell you what it means to get lost in art..............I can just notice that it happens...afterwards.

you are right with this, but hermann is far away from that. it is only another image of "nothing noticed"

From my perspective, one can look at what it means to be "I" and notice everything without identifying with it.

Within oneself yes but within another?

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#58 2012-07-28 09:30:48

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Re: What it means to be alone?

beans wrote:

?

Nice political tactic, tho.

(right, keep counting)

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#59 2012-07-28 09:37:57

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Re: What it means to be alone?

Here, why not complete the image…

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#60 2012-07-28 09:43:14

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Re: What it means to be alone?

o)
thanks, spielberg

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#61 2012-07-28 09:43:40

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Re: What it means to be alone?

WhiteShaman wrote:

beans wrote:

awareness wrote:


you are right with this, but hermann is far away from that. it is only another image of "nothing noticed"

From my perspective, one can look at what it means to be "I" and notice everything without identifying with it.

Within oneself yes but within another?

With oneself there is the ability to perceive thoughts, emotions, sensations as well as patterns of action. With others we have input also - it is just more limited. If a person is aware enough to watch the rising of their thoughts, they can understand useful images vs images that the "I" may want to invest in.

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#62 2012-07-28 09:54:59

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Re: What it means to be alone?

tree wrote:

my garden is not a dream

tree wrote:

o)
thanks, spielberg

welcome, tree, have a nice day yourself ;-)

http://www.mossandstonegardens.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Moss-hat-286x300.jpg

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#63 2012-07-28 10:19:12

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Re: What it means to be alone?

well, it's a blessed day and i know it's beautiful there because i'm close, i hope you have more to enjoy than your theorems

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#64 2012-07-28 11:26:46

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Re: What it means to be alone?

There is one thing that is much easier to see in another than in oneself.  That is the quality that k calls the false.  In respect to another, I have nothing to protect.

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#65 2012-07-28 11:29:52

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Re: What it means to be alone?

It is usually easier to see the false in another, unless one has an investment in their images of another (ie the images serve to protect one's own belief system or identity whatever form that may take)

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#66 2012-07-28 11:31:42

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well, it's a blessed day and i know it's beautiful there because i'm close, i hope you have more to enjoy than your theorems

Stopped by Bass Hole Beach recently on a drive through, lol - your post made me think of it.

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#67 2012-07-28 11:42:36

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Re: What it means to be alone?

beans will be beans

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#68 2012-07-28 11:48:55

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Re: What it means to be alone?

Ahaha!...too much fun, leafy - thanks.

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#69 2012-07-28 11:54:55

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Re: What it means to be alone?

beans wrote:

It is usually easier to see the false in another, unless one has an investment in their images of another (ie the images serve to protect one's own belief system or identity whatever form that may take)

Yes, I might put it even more strongly - our view of others is generally distorted by self-interest.  Yet the difficulty of seeing the false in oneself is immeasurably greater.   It's almost by definition that we don't see the false in ourselves - for any such seeing would effect immeasurable changes in our selves.  And so we hesitate - usually forever.

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#70 2012-07-28 11:58:18

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Re: What it means to be alone?

the experts speak...

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#71 2012-07-28 12:00:26

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Re: What it means to be alone?

tree wrote:

the experts speak...

Observation, watson

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#72 2012-07-28 12:00:34

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Re: What it means to be alone?

dont feed the troll

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#73 2012-07-28 12:03:08

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Re: What it means to be alone?

hermann wrote:

beans wrote:

It is usually easier to see the false in another, unless one has an investment in their images of another (ie the images serve to protect one's own belief system or identity whatever form that may take)

Yes, I might put it even more strongly - our view of others is generally distorted by self-interest.  Yet the difficulty of seeing the false in oneself is immeasurably greater.   It's almost by definition that we don't see the false in ourselves - for any such seeing would effect immeasurable changes in our selves.  And so we hesitate - usually forever.

Yes, generally, sometimes, once in a while...no way of being is carved in stone.

"Forever" -- that's a projection. "And so we hesitate - usually forever." - to say this kind of wards off any possibility of change, it seems.

[fixed misspelling of "off"]

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#74 2012-07-28 12:05:38

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Re: What it means to be alone?

awareness wrote:

dont feed the troll

It's all in fun....

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#75 2012-07-28 12:07:56

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Re: What it means to be alone?

its dangerous to be funny with a confused mind

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