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#26 2012-07-28 07:50:05
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Re: What it means to be alone?
perhaps someone has stolen his blinkers
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#27 2012-07-28 07:57:12
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Re: What it means to be alone?
"If you have died to one of your pleasures, the smallest or the greatest, naturally, without any enforcement or argument, then you will know what it means to die. To die is to have a mind that is completely empty of itself, empty of its daily longing, pleasure; and agonies."
- J. Krishnamurti, Freedom from the Known, p. 77
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#28 2012-07-28 08:01:26
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Re: What it means to be alone?
You've found the right quote. Now what? Now what?
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#30 2012-07-28 08:03:57
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Re: What it means to be alone?
i dont understand, noone is asking from there
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#31 2012-07-28 08:05:56
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Re: What it means to be alone?
yes, unless he is ill with hermannism
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#32 2012-07-28 08:13:37
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Re: What it means to be alone?
i need me some amardaya
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#34 2012-07-28 08:24:42
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Re: What it means to be alone?
awareness wrote:
"If you have died to one of your pleasures, the smallest or the greatest, naturally, without any enforcement or argument, then you will know what it means to die. To die is to have a mind that is completely empty of itself, empty of its daily longing, pleasure; and agonies."
- J. Krishnamurti, Freedom from the Known, p. 77
Dying to pleasures as they arise, one is alone. When one lays claim to being one who is alone, this is a pleasure that has not been died to. An image of the self that is identified with and takes hold, gives one a feeling of a center, comfort, and certainty.
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#35 2012-07-28 08:28:43
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Re: What it means to be alone?
verily i say unto you...beans is the origin of goodness
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#36 2012-07-28 08:30:32
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Re: What it means to be alone?
beans wrote:
awareness wrote:
"If you have died to one of your pleasures, the smallest or the greatest, naturally, without any enforcement or argument, then you will know what it means to die. To die is to have a mind that is completely empty of itself, empty of its daily longing, pleasure; and agonies."
- J. Krishnamurti, Freedom from the Known, p. 77Dying to pleasures as they arise, one is alone. When one lays claim to being one who is alone, this is a pleasure that has not been died to. An image of the self that is identified with and takes hold, gives one a feeling of a center, comfort, and certainty.
yes, of course. all ideas, ideals is pleasure, which is fear.
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#37 2012-07-28 08:33:39
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tree wrote:
verily i say unto you...beans is the origin of goodness
Why the need to praise or condemn?
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#38 2012-07-28 08:37:08
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Re: What it means to be alone?
awareness wrote:
beans wrote:
awareness wrote:
"If you have died to one of your pleasures, the smallest or the greatest, naturally, without any enforcement or argument, then you will know what it means to die. To die is to have a mind that is completely empty of itself, empty of its daily longing, pleasure; and agonies."
- J. Krishnamurti, Freedom from the Known, p. 77Dying to pleasures as they arise, one is alone. When one lays claim to being one who is alone, this is a pleasure that has not been died to. An image of the self that is identified with and takes hold, gives one a feeling of a center, comfort, and certainty.
yes, of course. all ideas, ideals is pleasure, which is fear.
Yes, fear from existence without "control" or a predefined plan of action - fear of floating in the unknown.
The idea that is a center gives the body/brain an image to refer to and act in accordance with.
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#39 2012-07-28 08:49:29
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Re: What it means to be alone?
beans wrote:
tree wrote:
verily i say unto you...beans is the origin of goodness
Why the need to praise or condemn?
have a nice day
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#40 2012-07-28 08:52:31
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tree wrote:
beans wrote:
tree wrote:
verily i say unto you...beans is the origin of goodness
Why the need to praise or condemn?
have a nice day
enjoy the ol lane
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#41 2012-07-28 08:52:48
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Re: What it means to be alone?
(it's beautiful there)
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#42 2012-07-28 08:54:21
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(it's beautiful there)
a pleasurable dream...for the moment
(as you know, there's a flip side)
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#43 2012-07-28 09:00:05
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Re: What it means to be alone?
my garden is not a dream
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#45 2012-07-28 09:05:03
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Re: What it means to be alone?
more soft porn.
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#46 2012-07-28 09:06:29
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my garden is not a dream
Without a full, constant understanding, one is just dabbling. And can't recognize signs of disease....regardless of the green rubber clogs ;-)
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#47 2012-07-28 09:10:07
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Re: What it means to be alone?
hermann wrote:
more soft porn.
...for one who is looking at projected images...
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#48 2012-07-28 09:11:38
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Re: What it means to be alone?
beans wrote:
tree wrote:
my garden is not a dream
Without a full, constant understanding, one is just dabbling. And can't recognize signs of disease....regardless of the green rubber clogs ;-)
how perceptive
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#49 2012-07-28 09:13:21
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Re: What it means to be alone?
I think what Hermann is suggesting behind the color of his words is that to look at what it means to be........................(put anything you want here), is to be caught up in the relationship of "I" the story and the feeling, which when looked at is "I" the story.
When one is truly alone, then there nothing noticed...as I see it. The problem of Hermann's perspective, as I see it, is that he finds something wrong with that. Why not call it what it is and end it there. Why see it as disease or a problem for someone else. Isn't that what we do when we try to understand ourselves. We don't judge or ridicule what we find........we notice it.
We move away from it or toward it but if we see it as a problem then we re-attach to it.
When I draw portraits, I get lost in it.....I cannot come back and tell you what it means to get lost in art..............I can just notice that it happens...afterwards.
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#50 2012-07-28 09:13:52
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Re: What it means to be alone?
tree wrote:
beans wrote:
tree wrote:
my garden is not a dream
Without a full, constant understanding, one is just dabbling. And can't recognize signs of disease....regardless of the green rubber clogs ;-)
how perceptive
OK, tree, enjoy the clog dance, while the rose has black spot...
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